The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_...
Britain has had three spree killings or mass shootings since 1980: the Hungerford massacre of 1987, the Dunblane school massacre of 1996, and the Cumbria shootings of 2010. After Hungerford and Dunblane, firearms legislation was amended, tightening firearms restrictions in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom Gun legislation has been described by The Huffington Post as "one of the toughest regimes in the world".
wiki said:
The UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. There were 0.05 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in the five years to 2011 (15 to 38 people per year). Gun homicides accounted for 2.4% of all homicides in the year 2011. Office for National Statistics figures show 7,866 offences in which firearms were involved in the year ending March 2015, 2% up on the previous year and the first increase in 10 years. Of these, 19 were fatalities, 10 fewer than the previous year and the lowest since records began in 1969. There was a further rise to 8,399 in the year ending March 2016, the highest number in four years, but significantly lower than the all-time high of 24,094 in 2003/04. Twenty-six resulted in fatal injuries.
Spree killings and mass shootingsBritain has had three spree killings or mass shootings since 1980: the Hungerford massacre of 1987, the Dunblane school massacre of 1996, and the Cumbria shootings of 2010. After Hungerford and Dunblane, firearms legislation was amended, tightening firearms restrictions in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom Gun legislation has been described by The Huffington Post as "one of the toughest regimes in the world".
Halb said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_...
Britain has had three spree killings or mass shootings since 1980: the Hungerford massacre of 1987, the Dunblane school massacre of 1996, and the Cumbria shootings of 2010. After Hungerford and Dunblane, firearms legislation was amended, tightening firearms restrictions in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom Gun legislation has been described by The Huffington Post as "one of the toughest regimes in the world".
Some of the 7,866 firearms offences probably consist of certification and possession offences (unless the way of recording crime has changed significantly since end-of-year stats were of importance to me.) My force, with no woundings or deaths from firearms, had a number of firearms offences and the CC was taken to task over it during some meeting or other. Most of these records related to crimes of possession and certification that were discovered by the police when being proactive regarding compliance with the various regulations, something that was added to the CC's annual report in the bewildering belief that anyone read the text. wiki said:
The UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. There were 0.05 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in the five years to 2011 (15 to 38 people per year). Gun homicides accounted for 2.4% of all homicides in the year 2011. Office for National Statistics figures show 7,866 offences in which firearms were involved in the year ending March 2015, 2% up on the previous year and the first increase in 10 years. Of these, 19 were fatalities, 10 fewer than the previous year and the lowest since records began in 1969. There was a further rise to 8,399 in the year ending March 2016, the highest number in four years, but significantly lower than the all-time high of 24,094 in 2003/04. Twenty-six resulted in fatal injuries.
Spree killings and mass shootingsBritain has had three spree killings or mass shootings since 1980: the Hungerford massacre of 1987, the Dunblane school massacre of 1996, and the Cumbria shootings of 2010. After Hungerford and Dunblane, firearms legislation was amended, tightening firearms restrictions in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom Gun legislation has been described by The Huffington Post as "one of the toughest regimes in the world".
ferrisbueller said:
LimaDelta said:
djc206 said:
LimaDelta said:
Yes, because since Dunblane gun crime has been completely eradicated from our shores. Our inner city areas have never been safer now that handguns are illegal.
How much more dangerous would they be if they weren’t?Halb said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_...
Britain has had three spree killings or mass shootings since 1980: the Hungerford massacre of 1987, the Dunblane school massacre of 1996, and the Cumbria shootings of 2010. After Hungerford and Dunblane, firearms legislation was amended, tightening firearms restrictions in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom Gun legislation has been described by The Huffington Post as "one of the toughest regimes in the world".
The vast majority of recorded firearms offences will involve the possession of imitation firearms (not necessarily use) plus possession of tasers and CS type sprays.wiki said:
The UK has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. There were 0.05 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in the five years to 2011 (15 to 38 people per year). Gun homicides accounted for 2.4% of all homicides in the year 2011. Office for National Statistics figures show 7,866 offences in which firearms were involved in the year ending March 2015, 2% up on the previous year and the first increase in 10 years. Of these, 19 were fatalities, 10 fewer than the previous year and the lowest since records began in 1969. There was a further rise to 8,399 in the year ending March 2016, the highest number in four years, but significantly lower than the all-time high of 24,094 in 2003/04. Twenty-six resulted in fatal injuries.
Spree killings and mass shootingsBritain has had three spree killings or mass shootings since 1980: the Hungerford massacre of 1987, the Dunblane school massacre of 1996, and the Cumbria shootings of 2010. After Hungerford and Dunblane, firearms legislation was amended, tightening firearms restrictions in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom Gun legislation has been described by The Huffington Post as "one of the toughest regimes in the world".
Edited by Bigends on Monday 2nd September 11:56
The man who killed seven people in Odessa, Texas, over the weekend had been fired from his trucking job hours before the mass shooting, according to multiple reports.
Despite the reports of his firing, police say a motive is still not known for the shooting.
“There are no definitive answers as to motive or reasons at this point, but we are fairly certain that the subject did act alone,” Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke said at a news conference.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/459604-te...
Despite the reports of his firing, police say a motive is still not known for the shooting.
“There are no definitive answers as to motive or reasons at this point, but we are fairly certain that the subject did act alone,” Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke said at a news conference.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/459604-te...
Not a bad day yesterday only 32 Gun deaths, down from 48 the day before.
More mass shootings in the US than days so far this year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-2019-m...
More mass shootings in the US than days so far this year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-2019-m...
Edited by TheRainMaker on Monday 2nd September 15:20
LimaDelta said:
djc206 said:
LimaDelta said:
Yes, because since Dunblane gun crime has been completely eradicated from our shores. Our inner city areas have never been safer now that handguns are illegal.
How much more dangerous would they be if they weren’t?I think the fact that we still have firearms offences despite guns being largely outlawed except for specific types, hints at the complete and utter carnage if the Great British public had largely unfettered access to Assault Rifles, hand guns and whatever they fancied, without the understanding Americans have.
As it is, its hard for 99.99 percent plus of the population to get a gun, most actually dont want one, if you arent involved in organised crime, then its very, very unlikely that you will get shot or ever see a gun of any description.
It saddens me that people leave the house and think, keys, phone, wallet and a device to accelerate a lead projectile to a high enough velocity to end someone elses life.
J4CKO said:
LimaDelta said:
djc206 said:
LimaDelta said:
Yes, because since Dunblane gun crime has been completely eradicated from our shores. Our inner city areas have never been safer now that handguns are illegal.
How much more dangerous would they be if they weren’t?I think the fact that we still have firearms offences despite guns being largely outlawed except for specific types, hints at the complete and utter carnage if the Great British public had largely unfettered access to Assault Rifles, hand guns and whatever they fancied, without the understanding Americans have.
As it is, its hard for 99.99 percent plus of the population to get a gun, most actually dont want one, if you arent involved in organised crime, then its very, very unlikely that you will get shot or ever see a gun of any description.
It saddens me that people leave the house and think, keys, phone, wallet and a device to accelerate a lead projectile to a high enough velocity to end someone elses life.
p1stonhead said:
J4CKO said:
LimaDelta said:
djc206 said:
LimaDelta said:
Yes, because since Dunblane gun crime has been completely eradicated from our shores. Our inner city areas have never been safer now that handguns are illegal.
How much more dangerous would they be if they weren’t?I think the fact that we still have firearms offences despite guns being largely outlawed except for specific types, hints at the complete and utter carnage if the Great British public had largely unfettered access to Assault Rifles, hand guns and whatever they fancied, without the understanding Americans have.
As it is, its hard for 99.99 percent plus of the population to get a gun, most actually dont want one, if you arent involved in organised crime, then its very, very unlikely that you will get shot or ever see a gun of any description.
It saddens me that people leave the house and think, keys, phone, wallet and a device to accelerate a lead projectile to a high enough velocity to end someone elses life.
There are around 700,000 people who are licenced to own a shotgun or firearm in the UK so about 1 in 100 people.
The rate of ownership has been growing year on year for the last 10 years and we are at peak ownership since 1988 IIRC.
The fact its very rare for anything to happen with a legally held firearm here is a good thing, but it also shows our previous changes to firearms laws have perhaps not been well thought out.
red_slr said:
Which is all fine, but there are just a smidge under 2,000,000 firearms and shotguns in the UK. So about 1 for every 30 people.
There are around 700,000 people who are licenced to own a shotgun or firearm in the UK so about 1 in 100 people.
The rate of ownership has been growing year on year for the last 10 years and we are at peak ownership since 1988 IIRC.
The fact its very rare for anything to happen with a legally held firearm here is a good thing, but it also shows our previous changes to firearms laws have perhaps not been well thought out.
Or, our processes reduce the numbers of legal weapons being bought by unstable and dangerous people.There are around 700,000 people who are licenced to own a shotgun or firearm in the UK so about 1 in 100 people.
The rate of ownership has been growing year on year for the last 10 years and we are at peak ownership since 1988 IIRC.
The fact its very rare for anything to happen with a legally held firearm here is a good thing, but it also shows our previous changes to firearms laws have perhaps not been well thought out.
Though its probably a cultural thing as well.
red_slr said:
Which is all fine, but there are just a smidge under 2,000,000 firearms and shotguns in the UK. So about 1 for every 30 people.
There are around 700,000 people who are licenced to own a shotgun or firearm in the UK so about 1 in 100 people.
The rate of ownership has been growing year on year for the last 10 years and we are at peak ownership since 1988 IIRC.
The fact its very rare for anything to happen with a legally held firearm here is a good thing, but it also shows our previous changes to firearms laws have perhaps not been well thought out.
Surely the fact it's very rare means the laws here are working well and doing a good job of restricting access to firearms?There are around 700,000 people who are licenced to own a shotgun or firearm in the UK so about 1 in 100 people.
The rate of ownership has been growing year on year for the last 10 years and we are at peak ownership since 1988 IIRC.
The fact its very rare for anything to happen with a legally held firearm here is a good thing, but it also shows our previous changes to firearms laws have perhaps not been well thought out.
At least we have decent, searchable, records as to who own firearms here, unlike many parts of the US.
Gary C said:
red_slr said:
Can you now see why the vast majority of US gun owners oppose restrictions on rifles?
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No, not really..
apart from the belief that more guns makes you safer ?
You’re around half as likely to be the victim of a violent crime in the US than you are in the UK.
However the victim of a violent crime in the US is more likely to be murdered.
LimaDelta said:
Who knows? But it is disingenuous at best to suggest the knee-jerk reactions to Hungerford and Dunblane have reduced gun crime in the UK. Now only the bad guys have the guns. This is a big part of the argument in the US.
But fewer of the bad guys can get guns legally (cheaply). It might be part of the argument in the US but the stats suggest it’s not a good onerscott said:
Surely the fact it's very rare means the laws here are working well and doing a good job of restricting access to firearms?
At least we have decent, searchable, records as to who own firearms here, unlike many parts of the US.
and you have a visit from the firearms officer to have a chat, see if you're stable, interview you before you get the firearm signed off.At least we have decent, searchable, records as to who own firearms here, unlike many parts of the US.
Then we have rules like lockable safes...
Byker28i said:
Ted Cruz cites the bible
2/x The right to self-defense is recognized repeatedly in the Bible, eg Exodus 22:2: “If a thief is caught breaking in at night & is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.” (Note, though, verse 3 says it IS murder if during daylight (ie, not self-defense).
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/116831746885672...
Can anyone knowing fuller american history explain Cruz here:
8/x That’s also why, post Civil War, disarming Black Americans was a critical objective of the KKK, and was memorialized in countless Jim Crow laws—to strip African-Americans of their God-given right to self-defense from violence.
So as no-one answered I went looking and found this interesting article (which also includes the statistic that only 6% of americans have a valid hunting licence)2/x The right to self-defense is recognized repeatedly in the Bible, eg Exodus 22:2: “If a thief is caught breaking in at night & is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.” (Note, though, verse 3 says it IS murder if during daylight (ie, not self-defense).
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/116831746885672...
Can anyone knowing fuller american history explain Cruz here:
8/x That’s also why, post Civil War, disarming Black Americans was a critical objective of the KKK, and was memorialized in countless Jim Crow laws—to strip African-Americans of their God-given right to self-defense from violence.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-roots-of-anti-go...
The same author follows up with an article on the 2nd amendment,
https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-the-2nd-amendment...
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 3rd September 07:40
Bret Stephens two years ago wrote a piece on the issues with the second amendment argument, which still is valid today
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-se...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-se...
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