The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
Discussion
g4ry13 said:
Boom78 said:
g4ry13 said:
With the amount of guns in circulation + the number of nutcases around it's kind of astounding that it's not an everyday occurrence.
109 people die each day in the US from gunshot wounds, this excludes suicides. Many will be gang on gang but similar amount will be someone who’s just got a grudge about the world. Give too many people access to weapons and you create a race to the bottom of the barrel.
g4ry13 said:
Boom78 said:
g4ry13 said:
With the amount of guns in circulation + the number of nutcases around it's kind of astounding that it's not an everyday occurrence.
109 people die each day in the US from gunshot wounds, this excludes suicides. Many will be gang on gang but similar amount will be someone who’s just got a grudge about the world. Based on numbers the pro NRA/amendment types are a small proportion of the 328m Americans, poss 3-6m, crazy that a small % of people can hold the country to ransom, manority of Americans are extremely law abiding and I’m sure would be happy to never see guns again. Leave the guns to law enforcement, military or specific trades. Everyday joe doesn’t need a small arsenal
Byker28i said:
HD Adam said:
Gweeds said:
red_slr said:
You mean all guns? To ban one type of gun is not going to help.
If it was up to me all guns. But the number of mass shootings that involve AR15's specifically is insane. Why the f
k anyone needs one of those around the house is beyond me. What do you hunt and which bit of the US are you in. Do you use the 5.56mm receiver and how do you find the effective range? I've spoken to people who say its good for small games but at around 150 yards. I know someone whose converted his to take the larger rounds. Which do you use and do you find any limitations?
My wife's cousin has some land near San Antonio a few hours away and we hunt hogs there.
Feral Hogs are classed as a pest here & breed uncontrollably in the wild.
They are very destructive & quite dangerous if cornered or with their young,
I have an AR-15 in 5.56/.223.
It's very light, has 30 round magazines & FMJ ammo is cheap to practice with.
I hunt with dedicated hollow point rounds made for hogs or deer.
With Hogs, it's all about the shot placement so 100/150 yards is acceptable because you want a fairly instant kill, not a wounded animal running off or just pissed off coming at you.
I also carry a Glock19 in 9mm with hollow points just in case one comes out of the brush at you close up or you need to dispatch a fallen hog.
I'd just like to add that all the hogs get processed & eaten.
I don't shoot animals for sport or trophies.
The meat is excellent & not as fatty as regular piggies.
Normally we see hogs around 150lbs but there's some monsters out there and if you see one of these close up, you'd better have a gun that can see it off.
Not me.
HD Adam said:
I live in Texas near Houston.
My wife's cousin has some land near San Antonio a few hours away and we hunt hogs there.
Feral Hogs are classed as a pest here & breed uncontrollably in the wild.
They are very destructive & quite dangerous if cornered or with their young,
I have an AR-15 in 5.56/.223.
It's very light, has 30 round magazines & FMJ ammo is cheap to practice with.
I hunt with dedicated hollow point rounds made for hogs or deer.
With Hogs, it's all about the shot placement so 100/150 yards is acceptable because you want a fairly instant kill, not a wounded animal running off or just pissed off coming at you.
I also carry a Glock19 in 9mm with hollow points just in case one comes out of the brush at you close up or you need to dispatch a fallen hog.
I'd just like to add that all the hogs get processed & eaten.
I don't shoot animals for sport or trophies.
The meat is excellent & not as fatty as regular piggies.
Normally we see hogs around 150lbs but there's some monsters out there and if you see one of these close up, you'd better have a gun that can see it off.
Not me.
SMy wife's cousin has some land near San Antonio a few hours away and we hunt hogs there.
Feral Hogs are classed as a pest here & breed uncontrollably in the wild.
They are very destructive & quite dangerous if cornered or with their young,
I have an AR-15 in 5.56/.223.
It's very light, has 30 round magazines & FMJ ammo is cheap to practice with.
I hunt with dedicated hollow point rounds made for hogs or deer.
With Hogs, it's all about the shot placement so 100/150 yards is acceptable because you want a fairly instant kill, not a wounded animal running off or just pissed off coming at you.
I also carry a Glock19 in 9mm with hollow points just in case one comes out of the brush at you close up or you need to dispatch a fallen hog.
I'd just like to add that all the hogs get processed & eaten.
I don't shoot animals for sport or trophies.
The meat is excellent & not as fatty as regular piggies.
Normally we see hogs around 150lbs but there's some monsters out there and if you see one of these close up, you'd better have a gun that can see it off.
Not me.
Bloody hell, if I was facing something like that, I’d be wanting a .308 as a minimum! Surely 7.62 ammo is pretty cheap?
g4ry13 said:
With the amount of guns in circulation + the number of nutcases around it's kind of astounding that it's not an everyday occurrence.
It is:https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-sh...
Boom78 said:
g4ry13 said:
Boom78 said:
g4ry13 said:
With the amount of guns in circulation + the number of nutcases around it's kind of astounding that it's not an everyday occurrence.
109 people die each day in the US from gunshot wounds, this excludes suicides. Many will be gang on gang but similar amount will be someone who’s just got a grudge about the world. Based on numbers the pro NRA/amendment types are a small proportion of the 328m Americans, poss 3-6m, crazy that a small % of people can hold the country to ransom, manority of Americans are extremely law abiding and I’m sure would be happy to never see guns again. Leave the guns to law enforcement, military or specific trades. Everyday joe doesn’t need a small arsenal
Suicides: you ask a question which can't really be quantified. I would say that those who are intent on committing suicide would find other ways to do it if guns were not available. Guns may very well lead to more 'success' rather than other methods such as overdose where people survive. There is the element that without guns it may require a bit more planning, whereas having a gun to hand does capture the act on a whim.
g4ry13 said:
The motive behind a shooting (intentional / accidental) does matter to an extent. If accidental; the numbers can be lowered with better education, storage, handling practices. I imagine majority of shootings are with intent but some basic education would help reduce the numbers of accidental deaths.
Suicides: you ask a question which can't really be quantified. I would say that those who are intent on committing suicide would find other ways to do it if guns were not available. Guns may very well lead to more 'success' rather than other methods such as overdose where people survive. There is the element that without guns it may require a bit more planning, whereas having a gun to hand does capture the act on a whim.
America has had a few hundred years to educate themselves on guns and it hasn’t worked out too well so far, I can’t imagine a few tv ads telling people to lock guns away or handle properly will change anything, innocent people will still die as have 50 today already (based on daily stats). Suicides: you ask a question which can't really be quantified. I would say that those who are intent on committing suicide would find other ways to do it if guns were not available. Guns may very well lead to more 'success' rather than other methods such as overdose where people survive. There is the element that without guns it may require a bit more planning, whereas having a gun to hand does capture the act on a whim.
Byker28i said:
jimmyjimjim said:
HD Adam said:
Er, I hunt with mine.
I lost all mine in a freak boating accident.Boom78 said:
g4ry13 said:
The motive behind a shooting (intentional / accidental) does matter to an extent. If accidental; the numbers can be lowered with better education, storage, handling practices. I imagine majority of shootings are with intent but some basic education would help reduce the numbers of accidental deaths.
Suicides: you ask a question which can't really be quantified. I would say that those who are intent on committing suicide would find other ways to do it if guns were not available. Guns may very well lead to more 'success' rather than other methods such as overdose where people survive. There is the element that without guns it may require a bit more planning, whereas having a gun to hand does capture the act on a whim.
America has had a few hundred years to educate themselves on guns and it hasn’t worked out too well so far, I can’t imagine a few tv ads telling people to lock guns away or handle properly will change anything, innocent people will still die as have 50 today already (based on daily stats). Suicides: you ask a question which can't really be quantified. I would say that those who are intent on committing suicide would find other ways to do it if guns were not available. Guns may very well lead to more 'success' rather than other methods such as overdose where people survive. There is the element that without guns it may require a bit more planning, whereas having a gun to hand does capture the act on a whim.
jimmyjimjim said:
Byker28i said:
jimmyjimjim said:
HD Adam said:
Er, I hunt with mine.
I lost all mine in a freak boating accident.Byker28i said:
Ah sorry - thought it might be a comment related to: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/05/us/Texas-boat-p...
Nope, but I did LMAO off at that; not seen it before.Byker28i said:
WP have an article saying the Boulder assault weapon ban was recently blocked by the courts.
The city of Boulder, Colo., barred assault weapons in 2018 as a way to prevent mass shootings like the one that killed 17 at a high school in Parkland., Fla., earlier that year.
But 10 days after that ban was blocked in court this month, the city was rocked by its own tragedy: Ten people were killed at a supermarket Monday after a gunman opened fire, law enforcement officials said.
No other details were released as to when or how the suspect obtained the AR-15-style firearm six days before the shooting, or whether the gun was used at the King Soopers grocery store. Police have yet to say whether the ordinance would have prevented him from buying or possessing the weapon within city limits.
Boulder City Attorney Tom Carr declined to comment to The Washington Post, but pointed to language in the city’s code on assault weapons suggesting that the AR-556 pistol linked to the suspected shooter would have been included in the ban that was recently overturned
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/g...
The ban would have made zero difference even if it had been in effect at the time of the shooting. It was specific to Boulder only. The suspect lived in Arvada. There are no checkpoints around Boulder to stop people bringing in weapons that the city had banned. The city of Boulder, Colo., barred assault weapons in 2018 as a way to prevent mass shootings like the one that killed 17 at a high school in Parkland., Fla., earlier that year.
But 10 days after that ban was blocked in court this month, the city was rocked by its own tragedy: Ten people were killed at a supermarket Monday after a gunman opened fire, law enforcement officials said.
No other details were released as to when or how the suspect obtained the AR-15-style firearm six days before the shooting, or whether the gun was used at the King Soopers grocery store. Police have yet to say whether the ordinance would have prevented him from buying or possessing the weapon within city limits.
Boulder City Attorney Tom Carr declined to comment to The Washington Post, but pointed to language in the city’s code on assault weapons suggesting that the AR-556 pistol linked to the suspected shooter would have been included in the ban that was recently overturned
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/g...
Part of the issue in the states is that their laws are so complex. You have federal laws and state laws and sometimes county/city laws too. Its sometimes very illegal to have a certain firearm in one town, drive 5 minutes to another and its totally legal.
Its not quite the firearms owning utopia most Brits think is it. Yes if you live in somewhere like Arizona or Vermont its very much a free for all - but if you intend to travel or if you live somewhere like California then its a big hassle.
Its not quite the firearms owning utopia most Brits think is it. Yes if you live in somewhere like Arizona or Vermont its very much a free for all - but if you intend to travel or if you live somewhere like California then its a big hassle.
g4ry13 said:
50 innocent people or people affiliated with criminal activity?
Some will no doubt be criminals but we’re probably not talking about nasty lawless mafia dons and their henchman having a shoot up with their arch enemies like In the films, most likely some 13-18 year old lads who were in wrong place at wrong time or mates with a local small time dealer or possibly doing low level street running themselves, Doesn’t make it acceptable that they got shot dead this morning walking to school, park or shops. I simply don’t get anyone who is pro gun ownership for private citizens unless it’s a tool (farming, vermin, protection from big bears) or military/law enforcement.
Sport. Quite fun clay shooting with the various disciplines, or target shooting.
Or maybe hiring them for the occasional challenge, under strict control and supervision...
I've certainly never understood the 'good guy with a gun stops the bad guy' because whilst it's sometimes happened, who wants to be the person with a gun, when the US cops turn up looking for a shooter.
Or maybe hiring them for the occasional challenge, under strict control and supervision...
I've certainly never understood the 'good guy with a gun stops the bad guy' because whilst it's sometimes happened, who wants to be the person with a gun, when the US cops turn up looking for a shooter.
g4ry13 said:
Suicides: you ask a question which can't really be quantified. I would say that those who are intent on committing suicide would find other ways to do it if guns were not available. Guns may very well lead to more 'success' rather than other methods such as overdose where people survive. There is the element that without guns it may require a bit more planning, whereas having a gun to hand does capture the act on a whim.
I'm sure I've read somewhere 75% of gun shot victims are suicides. Shooting yourself tends to be very successful compared to other (perhaps cries for help?) methods of suicide.The sad thing is, its the same stuff just gets repeated ad infinitum because the gun lobby is too big in the US. Just needs a start of some simple rules about a computerised database of owners, waiting time to buy for the checks, who you can sell to etc. The multiple different rules in the different states is just strange...
Boom78 said:
g4ry13 said:
50 innocent people or people affiliated with criminal activity?
Some will no doubt be criminals but we’re probably not talking about nasty lawless mafia dons and their henchman having a shoot up with their arch enemies like In the films, most likely some 13-18 year old lads who were in wrong place at wrong time or mates with a local small time dealer or possibly doing low level street running themselves, Doesn’t make it acceptable that they got shot dead this morning walking to school, park or shops. I simply don’t get anyone who is pro gun ownership for private citizens unless it’s a tool (farming, vermin, protection from big bears) or military/law enforcement.
The problem in the US is there are so many guns in circulation and held by some rather unsavoury characters. People don't want to bring a knife to a gunfight (which would probably be better in honesty). The irony of course is that the moment you shoot at an attacker the situation escalates into something deadly.
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