The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
Discussion
jdw100 said:
dvs_dave said:
Your mistake is assuming that all Americans are religious simpletons living in fear, with a penchant for the “good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun” mantra.
It’s actually only a small percentage of the population who are like this; probably a similar proportion to the extreme right loons that are peppered throughout the UK society. Certainly there and vocal, but by no means representative of the whole country.
iIt’s actually only a small percentage of the population who are like this; probably a similar proportion to the extreme right loons that are peppered throughout the UK society. Certainly there and vocal, but by no means representative of the whole country.
I’ve met many.
Some bright guys in my last company (global constancy) MBA, successful, family men....not red-neck in the slightest. Carried weapons to office in Florida. Moaned they couldn’t when at a company meeting - dinner in a museum in Chicago. Similar when I hosted them in London.
Similar with senior KPMG chaps in Dallas - a lot of business done on a Sunday in church and a lot of guns carried. I went to the lunch after church - lovely families and good food.
Manufacturing Director for large Pharma - car stolen with two handguns in the glovebox.
Visit with a colleague to a site in Carolina (I think it was) he surprised me by handing in a gun to security on reception...I had no idea he had it on him.
I don’t really think Ive ever met a proper redneck..?
People carrying pistols on hip in a mall in Phoenix not under jackets: that was an eye-opener. Its a mall, not Syria.
Etc etc...
dvs_dave said:
Your mistake is assuming that all Americans are this stereotypical religious simpleton living in fear, with a penchant for the “good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun” mantra.
It’s actually a relatively small percentage of the population who are like this; a proportion broadly inline with where UKIPers are in the UK. Certainty a vocal presence, with some valid points, but not actually representative of the country as a whole.
‘If it had been a conservative Christian church then, as 25% of worshipers bring guns to church a shooter would have been neutralised quickly.’It’s actually a relatively small percentage of the population who are like this; a proportion broadly inline with where UKIPers are in the UK. Certainty a vocal presence, with some valid points, but not actually representative of the country as a whole.
Edited by dvs_dave on Friday 26th March 05:26
That was from the article. From someone blaming lack of guns on the massacre.
I don't see the point in debating this, it is never going to change, I don't see how it can ever improve.
Americans will always have guns, and most will control themselves and not do a massacre but inevitably a tiny number will do due to whatever reasons they had to pull the trigger.
There is a price to pay to have citizens with easy access to firearms, this is it.
Americans will always have guns, and most will control themselves and not do a massacre but inevitably a tiny number will do due to whatever reasons they had to pull the trigger.
There is a price to pay to have citizens with easy access to firearms, this is it.
jdw100 said:
dvs_dave said:
Your mistake is assuming that all Americans are this stereotypical religious simpleton living in fear, with a penchant for the “good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun” mantra.
It’s actually a relatively small percentage of the population who are like this; a proportion broadly inline with where UKIPers are in the UK. Certainty a vocal presence, with some valid points, but not actually representative of the country as a whole.
‘If it had been a conservative Christian church then, as 25% of worshipers bring guns to church a shooter would have been neutralised quickly.’It’s actually a relatively small percentage of the population who are like this; a proportion broadly inline with where UKIPers are in the UK. Certainty a vocal presence, with some valid points, but not actually representative of the country as a whole.
Edited by dvs_dave on Friday 26th March 05:26
That was from the article. From someone blaming lack of guns on the massacre.
Edited by dvs_dave on Friday 26th March 14:36
J4CKO said:
I don't see the point in debating this, it is never going to change, I don't see how it can ever improve.
Americans will always have guns, and most will control themselves and not do a massacre but inevitably a tiny number will do due to whatever reasons they had to pull the trigger.
There is a price to pay to have citizens with easy access to firearms, this is it.
Yep, the gun control ship sailed a long time ago. With 300m+ weapons in circulation even if all were outlawed tomorrow and by some miracle there wasn’t an enormous uprising a huge number of weapons would remain in circulation and bad things would still happen. The only thing the US govt can do is limit the stuff people can buy new but that would take decades to have any meaningful effect if it achieved anything at all. Ultimately the only thing that will ever change things in a significant way would be a change in the way the public sees guns and that’s not happening in a hurryAmericans will always have guns, and most will control themselves and not do a massacre but inevitably a tiny number will do due to whatever reasons they had to pull the trigger.
There is a price to pay to have citizens with easy access to firearms, this is it.
djc206 said:
Yep, the gun control ship sailed a long time ago. With 300m+ weapons in circulation even if all were outlawed tomorrow and by some miracle there wasn’t an enormous uprising a huge number of weapons would remain in circulation and bad things would still happen. The only thing the US govt can do is limit the stuff people can buy new but that would take decades to have any meaningful effect if it achieved anything at all. Ultimately the only thing that will ever change things in a significant way would be a change in the way the public sees guns and that’s not happening in a hurry
And the firearms industry is thanking Mr. Biden.https://www.wfsb.com/news/gun-sales-are-soaring-am...
All of our local gun stores are out of stock of just about everything.
NMNeil said:
And the firearms industry is thanking Mr. Biden.
https://www.wfsb.com/news/gun-sales-are-soaring-am...
All of our local gun stores are out of stock of just about everything.
The link doesn’t work for me I’m afraid.https://www.wfsb.com/news/gun-sales-are-soaring-am...
All of our local gun stores are out of stock of just about everything.
It’s always the case that when the Dems get elected people rush to buy guns isn’t it? I vaguely recall something similar happening when Obama was elected but may well be wrong about that.
Is there a covid effect there too? People with a bit of money burning a hole, let’s buy a(nother) gun. Other people noticing that unemployment isn’t great and the perceived threat of a higher crime rate think they might need protection? Boredom and fancy a new hobby?
jimmyjimjim said:
Open carry still surprises me, and I've been here 15 years.
It always seems like total madness to me that they go all Josey Wales for a trip to the mall or supermrket . I'm guessing that in that time you have been there you haven't met with a whole lot of armed resistance at Wal-Mart. And by 'whole lot' i mean none. 
neilr said:
jimmyjimjim said:
Open carry still surprises me, and I've been here 15 years.
It always seems like total madness to me that they go all Josey Wales for a trip to the mall or supermrket . I'm guessing that in that time you have been there you haven't met with a whole lot of armed resistance at Wal-Mart. And by 'whole lot' i mean none. djc206 said:
J4CKO said:
I don't see the point in debating this, it is never going to change, I don't see how it can ever improve.
Americans will always have guns, and most will control themselves and not do a massacre but inevitably a tiny number will do due to whatever reasons they had to pull the trigger.
There is a price to pay to have citizens with easy access to firearms, this is it.
Yep, the gun control ship sailed a long time ago. With 300m+ weapons in circulation even if all were outlawed tomorrow and by some miracle there wasn’t an enormous uprising a huge number of weapons would remain in circulation and bad things would still happen. The only thing the US govt can do is limit the stuff people can buy new but that would take decades to have any meaningful effect if it achieved anything at all. Ultimately the only thing that will ever change things in a significant way would be a change in the way the public sees guns and that’s not happening in a hurryAmericans will always have guns, and most will control themselves and not do a massacre but inevitably a tiny number will do due to whatever reasons they had to pull the trigger.
There is a price to pay to have citizens with easy access to firearms, this is it.
Halmyre said:
Most would say, Sandy Hook was the point where the line should have been drawn, and wasn't.
I’m amazed the American politicians and leaders bottled it, if 26 dead kids mostly very young isn’t enough then god knows what is. Where’s the line drawn? When does doing the right thing beat NRA or votes? In any other western country that would have been the line crossed. Halmyre said:
djc206 said:
J4CKO said:
I don't see the point in debating this, it is never going to change, I don't see how it can ever improve.
Americans will always have guns, and most will control themselves and not do a massacre but inevitably a tiny number will do due to whatever reasons they had to pull the trigger.
There is a price to pay to have citizens with easy access to firearms, this is it.
Yep, the gun control ship sailed a long time ago. With 300m+ weapons in circulation even if all were outlawed tomorrow and by some miracle there wasn’t an enormous uprising a huge number of weapons would remain in circulation and bad things would still happen. The only thing the US govt can do is limit the stuff people can buy new but that would take decades to have any meaningful effect if it achieved anything at all. Ultimately the only thing that will ever change things in a significant way would be a change in the way the public sees guns and that’s not happening in a hurryAmericans will always have guns, and most will control themselves and not do a massacre but inevitably a tiny number will do due to whatever reasons they had to pull the trigger.
There is a price to pay to have citizens with easy access to firearms, this is it.
Awful, awful situation that still makes my skin crawl to this day. Horrendous stuff.
“Every time there’s a shooting, we play this ridiculous theater.”
— Ted Cruz
“If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter, it absolutely must go off.”
— Anton Chekhov
If you say in the first chapter that there are 393 million guns in a country, they absolutely must go off.
If you say in the first chapter that there are 393 million guns in a country, then in that country there will be a continuous miserable drumbeat of those guns going off.
If you say in the first chapter that the Republicans in Congress are indifferent to this, that they are going to draw absurd analogies to cars and call any desire for gun control “theater,” then they will continue going off.
If you say at the beginning that the National Rifle Association exists, even if you specify in the stage directions that it squanders millions of dollars on unrelated yacht experiences, guns will continue going off.
If you say in the first chapter that no matter how often they go off and how many people are hurt or killed by them, Republicans in Congress will never even make an attempt to pass gun control of any kind, then in the second or third chapter, they will continue going off.
If you say in the first chapter that there are other countries where this does not regularly happen, everyone will admit that is true while changing nothing.
If you say, gun control might prevent this from happening every day, why don’t we try that, and the audience rises to its feet and shouts for it, they will still go off.
If you announce at the beginning of the play that this time gun control is most certainly coming, at the end of the play the characters will still be sitting there waiting for gun control.
But if you say in the first chapter that the gun show loophole closed, and there was a three-day waiting period, and the play started before the three days ended, there might not be a gun on the wall at all. Even if you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle — but it is in a safe, not on the wall, and it is finger-print-locked, and it doesn’t have a bump stock, and it was not purchased through some unfixed exception — then, at last, it might not go off.
But then the play would not be a tragedy.”
— Ted Cruz
“If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter, it absolutely must go off.”
— Anton Chekhov
If you say in the first chapter that there are 393 million guns in a country, they absolutely must go off.
If you say in the first chapter that there are 393 million guns in a country, then in that country there will be a continuous miserable drumbeat of those guns going off.
If you say in the first chapter that the Republicans in Congress are indifferent to this, that they are going to draw absurd analogies to cars and call any desire for gun control “theater,” then they will continue going off.
If you say at the beginning that the National Rifle Association exists, even if you specify in the stage directions that it squanders millions of dollars on unrelated yacht experiences, guns will continue going off.
If you say in the first chapter that no matter how often they go off and how many people are hurt or killed by them, Republicans in Congress will never even make an attempt to pass gun control of any kind, then in the second or third chapter, they will continue going off.
If you say in the first chapter that there are other countries where this does not regularly happen, everyone will admit that is true while changing nothing.
If you say, gun control might prevent this from happening every day, why don’t we try that, and the audience rises to its feet and shouts for it, they will still go off.
If you announce at the beginning of the play that this time gun control is most certainly coming, at the end of the play the characters will still be sitting there waiting for gun control.
But if you say in the first chapter that the gun show loophole closed, and there was a three-day waiting period, and the play started before the three days ended, there might not be a gun on the wall at all. Even if you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle — but it is in a safe, not on the wall, and it is finger-print-locked, and it doesn’t have a bump stock, and it was not purchased through some unfixed exception — then, at last, it might not go off.
But then the play would not be a tragedy.”
"I own an AR-15. If there's a natural disaster in South Carolina where the cops can't protect my neighborhood, my house will be the last one that the gang will come to, because I can defend myself." -- Lindsey Graham
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376173348842000385
Mehdi Hasan
@mehdirhasan
"The suggestion that a twerp like Lindsey Graham could be some sort of tough guy fending away apocalyptic invaders is just the narrative they sell. It's what the gun lobby wants Republicans to say," Parkland survivor @cameron_kasky told me on @MSNBC today:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376342653260926982
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376173348842000385
Mehdi Hasan
@mehdirhasan
"The suggestion that a twerp like Lindsey Graham could be some sort of tough guy fending away apocalyptic invaders is just the narrative they sell. It's what the gun lobby wants Republicans to say," Parkland survivor @cameron_kasky told me on @MSNBC today:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376342653260926982
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