The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
Discussion
Byker28i said:
"I own an AR-15. If there's a natural disaster in South Carolina where the cops can't protect my neighborhood, my house will be the last one that the gang will come to, because I can defend myself." -- Lindsey Graham
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376173348842000385
Mehdi Hasan
@mehdirhasan
"The suggestion that a twerp like Lindsey Graham could be some sort of tough guy fending away apocalyptic invaders is just the narrative they sell. It's what the gun lobby wants Republicans to say," Parkland survivor @cameron_kasky told me on @MSNBC today:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376342653260926982
What is this 'the gang'? https://twitter.com/i/status/1376173348842000385
Mehdi Hasan
@mehdirhasan
"The suggestion that a twerp like Lindsey Graham could be some sort of tough guy fending away apocalyptic invaders is just the narrative they sell. It's what the gun lobby wants Republicans to say," Parkland survivor @cameron_kasky told me on @MSNBC today:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376342653260926982
In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
jdw100 said:
What is this 'the gang'?
In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
Isn’t it weird that people in a western country act and think like this, must be some sort of odd throw back to a fictional old west era or they’ve seen too many films. Proper living in fear! In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
It is really bizarre. I get that if you are a farmer living in the middle of nowhere with the police being a days drive away (which is the case for a small number of people in the US) you might feel you need a gun for self defence in a country with so many guns, not to mention dangerous wildlife, but this is people living on private estates, with armed guards, who own dozens of firearms. It’s crazy.
Boom78 said:
jdw100 said:
What is this 'the gang'?
In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
Isn’t it weird that people in a western country act and think like this, must be some sort of odd throw back to a fictional old west era or they’ve seen too many films. Proper living in fear! In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
Electro1980 said:
It is really bizarre. I get that if you are a farmer living in the middle of nowhere with the police being a days drive away (which is the case for a small number of people in the US) you might feel you need a gun for self defence in a country with so many guns, not to mention dangerous wildlife, but this is people living on private estates, with armed guards, who own dozens of firearms. It’s crazy.
I remember chatting to some guy in an Arizona bar and got onto gun ownership, he had guns but they were a trade tool in that during the summer he lumberjacks in the wilderness and needs to consider bears, mountain lions, aggressive bull elk and wolves. In the winter he heads to lowlands to work on farms/ranches and putting things out of their misery does happen. I get that reasoning, it makes sense. However, all these people with private arsenals of ARs and AKs for the apocalypse, feral home invasion gangs or just plain amendment support is weird. PRTVR said:
Boom78 said:
jdw100 said:
What is this 'the gang'?
In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
Isn’t it weird that people in a western country act and think like this, must be some sort of odd throw back to a fictional old west era or they’ve seen too many films. Proper living in fear! In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
UK has seen riots with specific causes. I’ve never heard of anywhere in the UK where the Police have been absent for a few days/.weeks. You might not agree with their tactics but they aren’t absent.
In fact I’m always surprised when you consider some of the ‘proper’ riots how few people get injured or killed.
I just can’t see in the result of a national disaster in UK that gangs would maraud around (darling, I’m just off to maraud, spot of marauding, dinners in the oven..) attacking homes. Shops, maybe...
Americans genuinely have this obsession with it. Thats the biggest reason why people keep a gun at home - to protect their family.
Well I live in Wyoming and the law is 5 hours drive away. Fair enough, but if there really is a genuine realistic fear of a marauding gang turning up then surely you should move your family to safety. I would. Oh and get the army in to stop these gangs of banditos.
What are the chances of you stopping a gang of marauders who burst in to your home whilst you are sat watching TV? You could be a highly trained Super Army Soldier and it wouldn’t matter.
Two things then.
1. fear of fellow citizens especially ones that like a maraud.
2. the misguided belief that you will be able to successfully defend you and your family in an heroic fashion against 1.
jdw100 said:
What is this 'the gang'?
In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
well, you could have some undesirables walking through your posh neighbourhoodIn a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
Mark and Patricia McCloskey
I wider how many successful defenses of a property there have been in the US ? Where "bad guys" have come and intended to do harm/steal stuff ?
I can see why its compelling to have the means to defend your family but I bet that the successful defense scenario is way outweighed by the following,
You or a member of your family get sad and blow their brains out
You get very drunk and manage to shoot a hole in your foot.
Your partner makes you angry, you blow their brains out.
You shoot a "trespasser" to find out its a member of your family.
You shoot a motorist who is asking to use your phone.
Small kids get hold of gun, shoots someone.
Disaffected teenage son goes on a rampage at school.
Or, you do get invaded but the invaders are all keyed up, armed already and you don't have chance to get your gun being groggy and the guns supposedly being locked up.
I just feel that a lot of it is folk dying to be a hero and get on the Late Show saying it was really nothing.
I can see why its compelling to have the means to defend your family but I bet that the successful defense scenario is way outweighed by the following,
You or a member of your family get sad and blow their brains out
You get very drunk and manage to shoot a hole in your foot.
Your partner makes you angry, you blow their brains out.
You shoot a "trespasser" to find out its a member of your family.
You shoot a motorist who is asking to use your phone.
Small kids get hold of gun, shoots someone.
Disaffected teenage son goes on a rampage at school.
Or, you do get invaded but the invaders are all keyed up, armed already and you don't have chance to get your gun being groggy and the guns supposedly being locked up.
I just feel that a lot of it is folk dying to be a hero and get on the Late Show saying it was really nothing.
Byker28i said:
well, you could have some undesirables walking through your posh neighbourhood
Mark and Patricia McCloskey
Walking or marauding? Mark and Patricia McCloskey
I suspect any fat bloke tucking a polo shirt in to chinos does need some protection.....from the police though. The fashion police.
I guess they could have stayed indoors or gone out without waving guns around.
Certainly taking a third option and prompting a dangerous incident wasn’t a good move.
Knowing that tempers were running high....probably best not to inflame the situation.
Of course in UK and many other countries it wouldn't have been an option anyway.
The protestors were on their way to a protest against the mayor. They weren’t marauding.
Having a read on this a bit more, the couple said (I’m paraphrasing) after they came out of the house with guns, some of the protestors showed they had guns as well; so really they were defending themselves from the armed protestors.....got to admire the twisted logic there
Fun fact: this couple are accused of destroying beehives belonging to children at a nearby synagogue because the bees were flying on to their property.
Edited by jdw100 on Tuesday 30th March 00:41
Edited by jdw100 on Tuesday 30th March 02:07
J4CKO said:
I wider how many successful defenses of a property there have been in the US ? Where "bad guys" have come and intended to do harm/steal stuff ?
https://abc11.com/goldboro-police-goldsboro-break-in-s-william-street-shooting-12-year-old-shoots-at-home-intruders/10336422/https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-crime-shooting-new...
https://abc13.com/sugar-land-shooting-home-invasio...
I could list hundreds more.
Boom78 said:
jdw100 said:
What is this 'the gang'?
In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
Isn’t it weird that people in a western country act and think like this, must be some sort of odd throw back to a fictional old west era or they’ve seen too many films. Proper living in fear! In a natural disaster why would gangs be marauding?
Why does that say about a society....
There was a nasty earthquake not a million miles from us 2/3 years ago. Police/army/medical didn't reach some areas for a week....just lovely stories of people going out of their way and even risking their own life to help others.
Say a big tornado (in USA) why would the cops need to protect a neighbourhood? Is he saying that the first thing that is needed is armed guards for properties? If its that big a disaster the last thing I'd be worried about is 'the gang' nicking me telly.
This is this bizarre American fear of 'home-intruders'. One must always be protecting your family from home intruders.
This thread has been going back and forth for a while now. And while you have been criticizing the US you seem to be ignoring your own problems.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5636609...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/lo...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5644787...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1407227/London-n...
https://london.ctvnews.ca/surge-in-gun-violence-an...
Remind me how well your ban on guns and knives is working.?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5636609...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/lo...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5644787...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1407227/London-n...
https://london.ctvnews.ca/surge-in-gun-violence-an...
Remind me how well your ban on guns and knives is working.?
J4CKO said:
Or, you do get invaded but the invaders are all keyed up, armed already and you don't have chance to get your gun being groggy and the guns supposedly being locked up.
If you manage to make it past my Belgian Malinois/Mastiff mix (very unlikely) and upstairs, I'll be wide awake club & waiting to greet you with this.
NMNeil said:
This thread has been going back and forth for a while now. And while you have been criticizing the US you seem to be ignoring your own problems.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5636609...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/lo...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5644787...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1407227/London-n...
https://london.ctvnews.ca/surge-in-gun-violence-an...
Remind me how well your ban on guns and knives is working.?
This is the US mass SHOOTINGS thread..........https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5636609...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/lo...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5644787...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1407227/London-n...
https://london.ctvnews.ca/surge-in-gun-violence-an...
Remind me how well your ban on guns and knives is working.?
.... and you find 4 articles on knives and ONE story about guns in....London...........Ontario
Edited by aston80 on Tuesday 30th March 04:42
aston80 said:
NMNeil said:
This thread has been going back and forth for a while now. And while you have been criticizing the US you seem to be ignoring your own problems.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5636609...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/lo...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5644787...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1407227/London-n...
https://london.ctvnews.ca/surge-in-gun-violence-an...
Remind me how well your ban on guns and knives is working.?
This is the US mass SHOOTINGS thread..........https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5636609...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/lo...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5644787...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1407227/London-n...
https://london.ctvnews.ca/surge-in-gun-violence-an...
Remind me how well your ban on guns and knives is working.?
.... and you find 4 articles on knives and ONE story about guns in....London...........Ontario
Edited by aston80 on Tuesday 30th March 04:42
In the US, it's pieces of paper and if not heard back in 3 days you automatically are granted the right to buy...
aston80 said:
NMNeil said:
This thread has been going back and forth for a while now. And while you have been criticizing the US you seem to be ignoring your own problems.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5636609...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/lo...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5644787...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1407227/London-n...
https://london.ctvnews.ca/surge-in-gun-violence-an...
Remind me how well your ban on guns and knives is working.?
This is the US mass SHOOTINGS thread..........https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5636609...
https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/lo...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5644787...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1407227/London-n...
https://london.ctvnews.ca/surge-in-gun-violence-an...
Remind me how well your ban on guns and knives is working.?
.... and you find 4 articles on knives and ONE story about guns in....London...........Ontario
Edited by aston80 on Tuesday 30th March 04:42
Byker28i said:
LOL. And the UK took action, banned handguns, stricter licencing, inspections on licence issue/renewal, which can take some weeks
.
Actually, it's more like months to get a license here, and yet, criminals still have access to handguns and even machine guns. So other than stop licensed individuals from owning firearms, people like our Olympic shooting team, what did we achieve?.
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