The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

[633Squadron]

It is not all bad news...

West Virginia offering guns as prizes in COVID vaccine lottery
https://nypost.com/2021/06/01/west-virginia-offeri...

[g4ry13]

Matt Harper said:

Two children, aged 12 and 14 get into shoot-out with FL Deputies - stop the world, I want to get off.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/photos-bullet-ho...

They broke into someone's home and stole the guns.

Arguably the owner of the guns didn't have them securely stored but they hardly acquired them via legal methods.

[HM-2]

g4ry13 said:

Matt Harper said:

Two children, aged 12 and 14 get into shoot-out with FL Deputies - stop the world, I want to get off.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/photos-bullet-ho...

They broke into someone's home and stole the guns.

Arguably the owner of the guns didn't have them securely stored but they hardly acquired them via legal methods.

I think the point is more that shootouts between school children and law enforcement are not really, well, a thing anywhere else in the developed world. The notion of a 12 year old in an armed stand off with police brandishing a semi-automatic assault type rifle is pretty alien.

[BoRED S2upid]

HM-2 said:

I think the point is more that shootouts between school children and law enforcement are not really, well, a thing anywhere else in the developed world. The notion of a 12 year old in an armed stand off with police brandishing a semi-automatic assault type rifle is pretty alien.

Always exceptions to the norm. There are drug running 12 year olds in this country then again the normal would think paintballing was risky.

[HM-2]

BoRED S2upid said:

There are drug running 12 year olds in this country

Don't really see how that's analogous.

[Last Visit]

12 and 14 yr olds shooting at the police, mothers accidentally shooting their own children while letting off multiple rounds at dogs running accross the street.

Honestly, what a country. Thank goodness for the Atlantic ocean.

[kowalski655]

Byker28i said:

A mother has been charged after accidentally shooting her 5-year-old son while trying to shoot a dog that was running across the street in north Houston, according to Houston police.

The incident happened at 700 Dunham Road on Saturday afternoon. Angelia Mia Vargas, 24, has been charged with deadly conduct with a firearm.


https://abc13.com/mom-charged-after-bullet-targete...

Taking guns on a bike ride, shooting at a puppy, AND then shooting your own kid! Bloody hell

[kowalski655]

BoRED S2upid said:

..... then again the normal would think paintballing was risky.

Damn right,I twisted my ankle really badly doing it one time, I could barely walk,it was black & blue for ages

[aeropilot]

kowalski655 said:

Byker28i said:

A mother has been charged after accidentally shooting her 5-year-old son while trying to shoot a dog that was running across the street in north Houston, according to Houston police.

The incident happened at 700 Dunham Road on Saturday afternoon. Angelia Mia Vargas, 24, has been charged with deadly conduct with a firearm.


https://abc13.com/mom-charged-after-bullet-targete...

Taking guns on a bike ride, shooting at a puppy, AND then shooting your own kid! Bloody hell

Its a special kind of stupid, even for the USA...!!

[Last Visit]

aeropilot said:

kowalski655 said:

Byker28i said:

A mother has been charged after accidentally shooting her 5-year-old son while trying to shoot a dog that was running across the street in north Houston, according to Houston police.

The incident happened at 700 Dunham Road on Saturday afternoon. Angelia Mia Vargas, 24, has been charged with deadly conduct with a firearm.


https://abc13.com/mom-charged-after-bullet-targete...

Taking guns on a bike ride, shooting at a puppy, AND then shooting your own kid! Bloody hell

Its a special kind of stupid, even for the USA...!!

Therr are plenty of stupid people in the UK. But with the USA having reportedly 400m firearms in circulation peoples stupidity there will often involve guns. Thats the sad reality.

[HM-2]

Last Visit said:

aeropilot said:

kowalski655 said:

Byker28i said:

A mother has been charged after accidentally shooting her 5-year-old son while trying to shoot a dog that was running across the street in north Houston, according to Houston police.

The incident happened at 700 Dunham Road on Saturday afternoon. Angelia Mia Vargas, 24, has been charged with deadly conduct with a firearm.


https://abc13.com/mom-charged-after-bullet-targete...

Taking guns on a bike ride, shooting at a puppy, AND then shooting your own kid! Bloody hell

Its a special kind of stupid, even for the USA...!!

Therr are plenty of stupid people in the UK. But with the USA having reportedly 400m firearms in circulation peoples stupidity there will often involve guns. Thats the sad reality.

I don't think "just killing animals for the sake of it" is normalised in anything like the same way here in the UK. Who the fk decides, on a whim, to murder a puppy whilst out walking with their child?!

[motorizer]

And yet there's people arguing thats someone that dumb should be allowed to just go to the shops and get a deadly weapon because "It's a constitutional right! You can't amend an amendment!"

[AJL308]

motorizer said:

And yet there's people arguing thats someone that dumb should be allowed to just go to the shops and get a deadly weapon because "It's a constitutional right! You can't amend an amendment!"

I don't think that anyone here is arguing that. She clearly isn't bright enough to be let out unsupervised. She's obviously not bright enough to look after kids properly either if she behaves like that.

[Byker28i]

Again, we come around to the calls to register all weapons so you know how big the problem is, plus licence owners, so you know who has what, with the powers to revoke a licence and remove access to weapons' for criminal acts etc.

States like Florida have rules that ex felons can't vote so removing weapons from felons,ex felons until they meet a requirement shouldn't be an issue...
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/ele...

[Iminquarantine]

Byker28i said:

Again, we come around to the calls to register all weapons so you know how big the problem is, plus licence owners, so you know who has what, with the powers to revoke a licence and remove access to weapons' for criminal acts etc.

States like Florida have rules that ex felons can't vote so removing weapons from felons,ex felons until they meet a requirement shouldn't be an issue...
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/ele...

As I said, I came to this thread late. But the fact that people convicted of felonies are prohibited from possessing firearms has already been pointed out, many times. It’s another post where you want to make new laws to make already illegal things illegal again, or twice as illegal, or more illegal. I think what you are saying, is you want to introduce a licence which is constitutionally not possible to enable you to make it illegal for the convicted criminals to buy the guns which it is currently illegal for them to buy. Have I got that right?

[rscott]

Iminquarantine said:

Byker28i said:

Again, we come around to the calls to register all weapons so you know how big the problem is, plus licence owners, so you know who has what, with the powers to revoke a licence and remove access to weapons' for criminal acts etc.

States like Florida have rules that ex felons can't vote so removing weapons from felons,ex felons until they meet a requirement shouldn't be an issue...
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/ele...

As I said, I came to this thread late. But the fact that people convicted of felonies are prohibited from possessing firearms has already been pointed out, many times. It’s another post where you want to make new laws to make already illegal things illegal again, or twice as illegal, or more illegal. I think what you are saying, is you want to introduce a licence which is constitutionally not possible to enable you to make it illegal for the convicted criminals to buy the guns which it is currently illegal for them to buy. Have I got that right?

Felons can legally possess a firearm though. If their sentence was less than a year, there's no restriction.
Or, in Texas, 5 years after they complete any sentence, they can have firearms at home.
https://faq.sll.texas.gov/questions/42811

And unless things have changed in the last 6 years, most states don't do anything to remove what were legally held firearms from people after convictions - https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/around-100000...

And some interesting detail on removal of voter/firearm rights in different states - https://ccresourcecenter.org/state-restoration-pro...

[Brother D]

HM-2 said:

Last Visit said:

aeropilot said:

kowalski655 said:

Byker28i said:

A mother has been charged after accidentally shooting her 5-year-old son while trying to shoot a dog that was running across the street in north Houston, according to Houston police.

The incident happened at 700 Dunham Road on Saturday afternoon. Angelia Mia Vargas, 24, has been charged with deadly conduct with a firearm.


https://abc13.com/mom-charged-after-bullet-targete...

Taking guns on a bike ride, shooting at a puppy, AND then shooting your own kid! Bloody hell

Its a special kind of stupid, even for the USA...!!

Therr are plenty of stupid people in the UK. But with the USA having reportedly 400m firearms in circulation peoples stupidity there will often involve guns. Thats the sad reality.

I don't think "just killing animals for the sake of it" is normalised in anything like the same way here in the UK. Who the fk decides, on a whim, to murder a puppy whilst out walking with their child?!

You need to put this into context. The police here in the USA shot hundreds of dogs a year. It's basically a sport

https://www.overtoncountynews.com/lifestyles/don-t...

Need to put this into context. On a cross country trip I got a flat in some po-dunk small town in Ohio, and while changing the tyre in -15c weather, a copper rolled up, and my new 12lb Boston puppy decided to bark at the office will the tailgate was open, and I instinctively blocked her from his view as I know they would have no hesitation in shooting a perceived 'threat'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...

Edited by Brother D on Friday 4th June 03:50

[Byker28i]

A US District Judge appointed by George W. Bush overturned California’s three decade old ban on assault weapons tonight. His opinion relies heavily on Justice Scalia’s decision in Heller, even though that opinion said you could ban guns like the AR-15.

Judge Roger T. Benitez, who has favored pro-gun groups in past rulings, described the AR-15 rifle, used in many of the nation's deadliest mass shootings, as an ideal weapon.

"Like the Swiss Army Knife, the popular AR-15 rifle is a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment," he wrote in Friday's decision.

"Yet, the State of California makes it a crime to have an AR15 type rifle," Benitez continued. "Therefore, this Court declares the California statutes to be unconstitutional."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-rules-c...




from:
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/firearmspoli...


The claim is that Heller overturned a settled understanding of the Second Amendment that was over a century old.



Scalia's decision in Heller (2008), anchoring "common use" to the time when the 2nd Amendment was ratified, not modern purchase patterns. He expressly says rifles like the M-16 are not protected despite being most useful in modern military service.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.h...

Back in 2018 Kavanaugh (yes him) Kavanaugh argued that AR-15s and the like cannot be regulated under the constitution because they are widely-owned.


The office of Attorney General Rob Bonta said it would appeal.

"Today’s decision is fundamentally flawed, and we will be appealing it," Bonta said in a statement Friday night. "There is no sound basis in law, fact, or common sense for equating assault rifles with swiss army knives."

The Firearms Policy Coalition, which backed the suit, celebrated the decision. "We look forward to continuing this challenge at the Ninth Circuit and, should it be necessary, the Supreme Court," the group's president, Brandon Combs, said in a statement.

[Byker28i]

An interesting article into the history of the M16 and AR-15
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/...

[MKnight702]

The constant hate for the AR-15 in the anti gun camp doesn't make an awful lot of sense.



The gun on the top is the Ruger Mini14, the gun on the bottom is an AR-15. The anti's have absolutely no objection to the top rifle but have a burning hatred for the bottom rifle.

The thing is, they are both pretty much identical. They both shoot the same ammunition (5.56/.223), they both are semi automatic with the same rate of fire, they both take box magazines capable of holding the same number of rounds. Unfortunately, one looks like grandads hunting rifle and one looks "scary", but that's about the only difference.