The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

[bitchstewie]

I didn't catch whether it was said ironically or without realising, but they played a clip of a US news report where it was described as "The worst mass shooting in 12 days".

Says it all really.

They're screwed and they don't want to change it.

[croyde]

The shocking thing a poster wrote a bit earlier was about US property tax.

Never knew that.

So you own a $400k house and yet you basically spend as much as renting a flat each year as well

[J4CKO]

alabbasi said:

Randy Winkman said:

Do you think your change in lifestyle, as you've got older has affected that?

No, this was something that I noticed immediately upon moving and even before as my work took my here often (company move). I would think it would more apparent as one gets older as older people tend be easier victims in the UK compared to the US which gives people the right to arm themselves.

Certainly shootings are more common in DFW vs London. Stabbings, ABH , GBH, home invasions etc are practically unheard off. In simple terms, everybody is aware that they or the other guy may be armed. IMO, I believe that this has a calming influence because very few people want the legal liability of shooting somebody or want to get shot themselves.

Edited by alabbasi on Thursday 8th November 20:53

12.1 gun deaths per 100,000 population in Texas

I wouldn't feel safer, 0.23 gun deaths per 100k of population in the UK.

ABH/GBH is unheard of as those incidents still happen but a lot get recorded as a shooting instead as it escalated and someone died.

Calming effect ?

[turbomoped]

Saw a news report that some of the people in this latest shooting were in Vegas when that one happened though wether that was at the concert or just in Vegas elsewhere is not explained.
You get the impression these things keep occuring to divert attention from the last one.
If nobody had done a shooting spree since vegas we would still have been picking over the motivation for that one which
is puzzling and facinating.

[red_slr]

croyde said:

The shocking thing a poster wrote a bit earlier was about US property tax.

Never knew that.

So you own a $400k house and yet you basically spend as much as renting a flat each year as well

It does vary widely and the average over the whole US is <$3000 per year so similar to UK. That said some places have high rates (New York for example) and other places have big penalty for not being occupied.... as high as 5%!!

[MartG]

https://ascienceenthusiast.com/thousand-oaks-shoot...

[Petrus1983]

307 mass shootings so far this year -

https://read.bi/2zASpjj

[alabbasi]

Scobblelotcher said:

Thanks for the reply. Would you mind providing the link(s) to those stats?

I used Wikipedia so whatever Wikipedia references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London

croyde said:

The shocking thing a poster wrote a bit earlier was about US property tax.

Never knew that. So you own a $400k house and yet you basically spend as much as renting a flat each year as well

Yep, TX does not have any state income tax so the property taxes are high. It's painful but the silver lining is that it might help price petty criminals out of the area.

Edited by alabbasi on Friday 9th November 16:10

[turbomoped]

turbomoped said:

Saw a news report that some of the people in this latest shooting were in Vegas when that one happened though wether that was at the concert or just in Vegas elsewhere is not explained.
You get the impression these things keep occuring to divert attention from the last one.
If nobody had done a shooting spree since vegas we would still have been picking over the motivation for that one which
is puzzling and facinating.

Bloody hell how unlucky

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...

[Scobblelotcher]

alabbasi said:

Scobblelotcher said:

Thanks for the reply. Would you mind providing the link(s) to those stats?

I used Wikipedia so whatever Wikipedia references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London

croyde said:

The shocking thing a poster wrote a bit earlier was about US property tax.

Never knew that. So you own a $400k house and yet you basically spend as much as renting a flat each year as well

Yep, TX does not have any state income tax so the property taxes are high. It's painful but the silver lining is that it might help price petty criminals out of the area.

Edited by alabbasi on Friday 9th November 16:10

I thought so chap which would mean the numbers are incorrect, which was my original point.

So rape was quoted at 120 per 100k but that number is incorrect as all sexual offenses makeup that number not just rape. This is why comparing anything other than just murder numbers is never like-for-like as in the UK many offenses are lumped into a single stat whereas the US far more logically breaks them out correctly into the actual offenses.

It’s one of the favourite stats of American pro-gun groups (definitely not aimed at you) comparing violent crime of UK vs US when in the UK violent crime covers a huge amount of different offenses whereas the US uses it for the most serious offenses.

[turbomoped]

USA mass shooter related

https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-year-later-expert...

[alabbasi]

Scobblelotcher said:

I thought so chap which would mean the numbers are incorrect, which was my original point.

So rape was quoted at 120 per 100k but that number is incorrect as all sexual offenses makeup that number not just rape. This is why comparing anything other than just murder numbers is never like-for-like as in the UK many offenses are lumped into a single stat whereas the US far more logically breaks them out correctly into the actual offenses.

It’s one of the favourite stats of American pro-gun groups (definitely not aimed at you) comparing violent crime of UK vs US when in the UK violent crime covers a huge amount of different offenses whereas the US uses it for the most serious offenses.

Maybe, I've not seen an exact match so I can't agree or disagree as far as rape vs sexual assault stats. Violent crime none the less is higher. I don't need stats to back it. Nobody brings a knife to a gun fight .

We can keep going back and forth on stats but I can tell you as a guy who's lived in both cities, there is a huge difference.

[Scobblelotcher]

alabbasi said:

Scobblelotcher said:

I thought so chap which would mean the numbers are incorrect, which was my original point.

So rape was quoted at 120 per 100k but that number is incorrect as all sexual offenses makeup that number not just rape. This is why comparing anything other than just murder numbers is never like-for-like as in the UK many offenses are lumped into a single stat whereas the US far more logically breaks them out correctly into the actual offenses.

It’s one of the favourite stats of American pro-gun groups (definitely not aimed at you) comparing violent crime of UK vs US when in the UK violent crime covers a huge amount of different offenses whereas the US uses it for the most serious offenses.

Maybe, I've not seen an exact match so I can't agree or disagree as far as rape vs sexual assault stats. Violent crime none the less is higher. I don't need stats to back it. Nobody brings a knife to a gun fight .

We can keep going back and forth on stats but I can tell you as a guy who's lived in both cities, there is a huge difference.

I appreciate your perspective, I have have also lived in London and other major US cities although none in Texas.

The point I was making is guns do not improve safety or reduce crime, they just make crime far more lethal in the main as the stats amply demonstrate.

[Gandahar]

alabbasi said:

Scobblelotcher said:

I thought so chap which would mean the numbers are incorrect, which was my original point.

So rape was quoted at 120 per 100k but that number is incorrect as all sexual offenses makeup that number not just rape. This is why comparing anything other than just murder numbers is never like-for-like as in the UK many offenses are lumped into a single stat whereas the US far more logically breaks them out correctly into the actual offenses.

It’s one of the favourite stats of American pro-gun groups (definitely not aimed at you) comparing violent crime of UK vs US when in the UK violent crime covers a huge amount of different offenses whereas the US uses it for the most serious offenses.

Maybe, I've not seen an exact match so I can't agree or disagree as far as rape vs sexual assault stats. Violent crime none the less is higher. I don't need stats to back it. Nobody brings a knife to a gun fight .

We can keep going back and forth on stats but I can tell you as a guy who's lived in both cities, there is a huge difference.

" I don't need stats to back it"


Poppycock, unless you have stats it is third part hearsay.

The problem with US on guns is that their stats butt bang them every time on why they are wrong.

This was a good summary from someone in the USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7uuin2vViU

Some comments from Breibart news

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HILLARY'S INDICTMENT SCREAM • 11 minutes ago
Of course he's Godless, as are the rest of evil, demented and psycho CNN.

Still, it's funny how this hate speech is tolerated by anyone. Imagine the outcry from the looney liberals if Cuomo had mocked moslems and them praying to their allah? No, it's always mocking Christians at every opportunity.

Speaking of moslems, I'm beginning to think liberals are even more hateful people than moslems? If that's even possible.


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Bubba Spieth • 2 minutes ago
Our children are trained in the art of war, and are cyber soldiers before they are 14. They can identify Dozens of different firearms and how they are used.
It’s Absolutely Taboo for the left to even Consider if video games are at least Partly to blame for the Enormous change that’s happened to our country..
Nothing must come in the way of Gun Confiscation.

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R2Dookins • 6 minutes ago
Prayer and our conversations with God, our creator, our savior is the most sacred of sacred. For some, that's where true change and love starts. Only CNN and Cuomo could vilify those for that. Most adults are able to pray and still acomplish good in the world... not one or the other Cuomo

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Tim King • 10 minutes ago
Hey, Commie Chris, we’re praying for the victims as all Christians should. However, we’re not handing over our firearms, so that we can be unarmed victims of Marxists like you. You may never have learned it, but Marxists like you killed 65M unarmed citizens in China and 35M in the USSR.




People in the USA even get shot by their pets, such are the number of guns. Go google it...

MAN SHOT BY PET.

See how many in the USA rather than Europe.....

The obvious answer is that USA pets are bad hombres ....

Edited by Gandahar on Friday 9th November 20:31

[alabbasi]

Scobblelotcher said:

I appreciate your perspective, I have have also lived in London and other major US cities although none in Texas.

The point I was making is guns do not improve safety or reduce crime, they just make crime far more lethal in the main as the stats amply demonstrate.

I appreciate your point, but unfortunately it's not accurate. While I agree that sexual assault vs rape in the stats may be not be an apples to apples comparison. The other stats for robbery and assault (ABH & GBH) are still significantly higher.

In any case, it's a moot point. If you feel safe living in London that's great and nobody is going give up their guns in the US.

Edited by alabbasi on Friday 9th November 22:01

[MartG]

What's that they keep saying about 'a good guy with a gun' ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4618746...

[Salmonofdoubt]

TTmonkey said:

I see they are saying that the perp having PTSD from afghan is a factor in this shooting.

It strikes me that many mass shootings involve a person with some form of mental health issue. Where the shooter isnt a religious nut it seems to be very widely reported.

When they are Islamic their religion gets the blame. You know rather than them being a mentally unstable person who believes their holy book gives them the right to murder.

[alabbasi]

Salmonofdoubt said:

It strikes me that many mass shootings involve a person with some form of mental health issue. Where the shooter isnt a religious nut it seems to be very widely reported.

When they are Islamic their religion gets the blame. You know rather than them being a mentally unstable person who believes their holy book gives them the right to murder.

You might not be the first person to suggest this

[Gandahar]

Slightly off topic but this made me laugh

https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/wisconsin-m...


Last sentence

"Watching this deer grow each year for the past five seasons was special and it’s sad I won’t be able to watch him grow anymore," he added."

Oh noes, that is sad. If only ?


The reason why Murica should ban guns is because even the (currently) law abiding citizens are complete and utter quarterwits.

[red_slr]

Gandahar said:

The reason why Murica should ban guns is because even the (currently) law abiding citizens are complete and utter quarterwits.

Except he did not use a gun....