The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

[kowalski655]

And it gets crazier!
Wisconsin Senate approve concealed carry for teenagers on school property!
https://www.cbs58.com/news/republicans-vote-to-all...
Because teenagers and guns have a GREAT record in schools!

[dvs_dave]

MKnight702 said:

So what you are saying is that banning stuff doesn’t stop criminals from having/using them? I’m shocked, perhaps someone should let the UK authorities know.

Well of course it’s more nuanced than that as such things are not illegal in all states, which is the real root of the problem. Inconsistent gun laws from state to state, that only the tightening up of federal laws could address.

[dvs_dave]

Very interesting and quality study just been released on how the various, and wildly varying gun laws from state to state affect and interact with their respective gun crime rates. Brings some solid facts countering the rhetoric the usual suspects will have you believe (well, duh!)

Gun Safety Policies Save Lives - Is your state doing enough?

Redneck GOP states front and center for all the wrong reasons….again.

[Byker28i]

Lets be honest, it's not going to change because some don't want it and they pay enough money to politicians, or some politicians think it gets them votes.

You've Matthew Cawthorn (insurrection party) using a recent hearing on toxic chemicals effects on veterans to be sure he was seen cleaning his gun when he was on the video call
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/21/politics/madiso...
Mind you he also tried to board a plane with a gun, has been accused 4 times of taking a knife onto school property

You've Lauren Boebart (Qanaon conspiracy, insurrection and huge mileage expense to pay off he bar taxes) who posed with guns proped behind her on a video call, who sends christmas cards with all the family even kids posing with guns (as did Thomas Massie ), who claims she takes a gun into the Capitol...

Greene (Qanon conspiracy and insurrection party) who raffled off a Barrett .50 sniper rifle, to scare vaccine supporters off with guns,

etc etc etc

They had their chance to change with the first school shooting, and the countless others since, or any of the other mass shootings. The chance to register owners, control and register firearms, but they'd rather have school shooter drills for kids and sell bullet proof backpacks.

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 23 January 07:24

[Byker28i]

"Why I became a police officer"
Written by NYPD Officer Jason Rivera, 22-year who grew up in Inwood, was the officer killed

[AJL308]

IAmTheWalrus said:

I'd highly recommend anyone interested in the USA shootings to watch Michael Moore's film Bowling for Columbine. He documents local people and gun culture in the USA and Canada in general. Surprised to hear Canada has many guns but they use for shooting animals and not people..

I wouldn't. It's essentially a work of fiction and not a documentary. It doesn't "document" anything of substance.

[AJL308]

louiechevy said:

Strangely these are legal in the UK for .22 semi automatic rifles



Its a one hundred and ten round drum magazine for a rugger 10/22 rifle!

Edited by louiechevy on Saturday 22 January 13:36

There are pretty ste and tend not to work very well.

[AJL308]

louiechevy said:

Yep until last year when I decided to give it up I had a firearms certificate, and had a rifle that would of taken the drum magazine but seriously what possible target shooting use would I have for one. It still surprises me that after going through all the legal stuff to be able to own guns in the UK I wouldn't have had to give a reason to buy a large capacity magazine.

They're crap though. They often don't work well and just make the gun harder to operate.

[Byker28i]

The San Jose city council has voted to adopt an ordinance requiring most gun owners to pay a fee and carry liability insurance.
It was immediately challenged in a lawsuit filed.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/25/san-jose-is...

[dvs_dave]

Byker28i said:

The San Jose city council has voted to adopt an ordinance requiring most gun owners to pay a fee and carry liability insurance.
It was immediately challenged in a lawsuit filed.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/25/san-jose-is...

Complete waste of time and totally “just do something” politics. Like making it illegal for pigeons to st in your city.

[mko9]

dvs_dave said:

Byker28i said:

The San Jose city council has voted to adopt an ordinance requiring most gun owners to pay a fee and carry liability insurance.
It was immediately challenged in a lawsuit filed.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/25/san-jose-is...

Complete waste of time and totally “just do something” politics. Like making it illegal for pigeons to st in your city.

The real cost of insurance to a legal gun owner would probably be less than $1 per year, as their guns are rarely, if ever, used in a way that would cause damage or loss to others.

It is pretty unlikely that criminals and other unlawful gun owners will get insurance.

[coppernorks]

TN v Travis Reinking ongoing on Court TV and other streaming services.

Looks likely that his plea of not guilty due to insanity has a good chance of being accepted.

[dvs_dave]

A landmark victory this one. Will certainly send shockwaves through the industry and its insurers.

[CNN] - Sandy Hook families reach $73 million settlement with gun manufacturer Remington

“[CNN] - The families of five children and four adults killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting have reached a $73 million settlement with the now-bankrupt gun manufacturer Remington and its four insurers”

[Byker28i]

dvs_dave said:

A landmark victory this one. Will certainly send shockwaves through the industry and its insurers.

[CNN] - Sandy Hook families reach $73 million settlement with gun manufacturer Remington

“[CNN] - The families of five children and four adults killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting have reached a $73 million settlement with the now-bankrupt gun manufacturer Remington and its four insurers”

Add to Alex Jones being found guilty in all 4 defamation cases bought against him, I'd say this was very significant, but presumably because settled doesn't lay down a case law?

[PRTVR]

dvs_dave said:

A landmark victory this one. Will certainly send shockwaves through the industry and its insurers.

[CNN] - Sandy Hook families reach $73 million settlement with gun manufacturer Remington

“[CNN] - The families of five children and four adults killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting have reached a $73 million settlement with the now-bankrupt gun manufacturer Remington and its four insurers”

Does that mean that the company that makes anything that can kill, be it a knife or a car is responsible?

[MKnight702]

PRTVR said:

Does that mean that the company that makes anything that can kill, be it a knife or a car is responsible?

That certainly appears to be the argument. It’s totally ridiculous but it is the US “who can I sue” A.

Does that mean one can now sue Budweiser when you get a hangover?

Edited by MKnight702 on Wednesday 16th February 07:08

[HM-2]

MKnight702 said:

PRTVR said:

Does that mean that the company that makes anything that can kill, be it a knife or a car is responsible?

That certainly appears to be the argument. It’s totally ridiculous but it is the US “who can I sue” A.

Does that mean one can now sue Budweiser when you get a hangover?

Edited by MKnight702 on Wednesday 16th February 07:08

My understand is that the lawsuit related primarily to Remington's marketing strategy and presentation of it's AR-15 derivatives as combat proven. The actual allegation regarded deceptive marketing practices, as Remington simultaneously marketed it in a manner that glorified its military use whilst claiming it wasn't a military or military-style weapon. There's a federal statute that prevents gun manufacturers from being found culpable for homicides their weapons cause so that's absolutely not what this means.

I don't think there's a suitable car or beer analogy. Maybe if a manufacturer advertiser their car as a killing machine, or a brewery claimed their beer made you impervious to being drunk.

[The Rotrex Kid]

Interesting article from the Beeb.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6119297...

Guns the leading cause of teenage death in the US with 4300 gun related deaths (including suicides, granted, but not that it makes it any better) in 2020.

For reference, 3900 died in car accidents.

And to please our resident dog killing specialist, 46 people in total died from dog attacks.

[Voldemort]

[Dr Jekyll]

The Rotrex Kid said:

Interesting article from the Beeb.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6119297...

Guns the leading cause of teenage death in the US with 4300 gun related deaths (including suicides, granted, but not that it makes it any better) in 2020.

For reference, 3900 died in car accidents.

And to please our resident dog killing specialist, 46 people in total died from dog attacks.

The headline 'Gun deaths were the leading killer of US children' is misleading when the figure refers to under 19 year olds.
Do we know how many of those were drug gang killings as opposed to mass shootings?