The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

[HM-2]

Dr Jekyll said:

The headline 'Gun deaths were the leading killer of US children' is misleading when the figure refers to under 19 year olds.

You say it's misleading, but is there any evidence it isn't actually true, though? Or is your argument "the firearm related death figures figures for 18 and 19 year olds are so enormously high they skew the average, and actually other causes resulted in higher deaths amongst under-18s"?

Dr Jekyll said:

Do we know how many of those were drug gang killings as opposed to mass shootings?

Do we know how many of those who died in vehicle accidents were intoxicated, driving dangerously, or otherwise acted irresponsibly?

[Dr Jekyll]

HM-2 said:

Dr Jekyll said:

The headline 'Gun deaths were the leading killer of US children' is misleading when the figure refers to under 19 year olds.

You say it's misleading, but is there any evidence it isn't actually true, though? Or is your argument "the firearm related death figures figures for 18 and 19 year olds are so enormously high they skew the average, and actually other causes resulted in higher deaths amongst under-18s"?

Given that a more natural age cutoff would be 18 I suspect the extra year does skew the figures.
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HM-2 said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Do we know how many of those were drug gang killings as opposed to mass shootings?

Do we know how many of those who died in vehicle accidents were intoxicated, driving dangerously, or otherwise acted irresponsibly?

This is a mass shootings thread, 18 year olds shooting each other in a disagreement over recreational pharmaceuticals is rather different from 'children' being victims of mass shootings.

Edited by Dr Jekyll on Sunday 24th April 20:53

[HM-2]

Dr Jekyll said:

HM-2 said:

Dr Jekyll said:

The headline 'Gun deaths were the leading killer of US children' is misleading when the figure refers to under 19 year olds.

You say it's misleading, but is there any evidence it isn't actually true, though? Or is your argument "the firearm related death figures figures for 18 and 19 year olds are so enormously high they skew the average, and actually other causes resulted in higher deaths amongst under-18s"?

Given that a more natural age cutoff would be 18 I suspect the extra year does skew the figures.

You were the one that contended that the title was misleading. Now you're suggesting you don't actually have any evidence to suggest its misleading, just that it might be but you haven't looked at the figures?

[oobster]

Looks like 6+ killed in Buffalo today by, it would appear, a white supremacist.

[JonChalk]

BBC quoting sources saying it's 9 dead;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6145295...

[The Rotrex Kid]

10 dead now. Move along, nothing to see here etc etc.

Disgusting.

‘ The suspect is believed to have driven for several hours to reach the predominantly black area of the city. Thirteen people were shot in total and the majority of the victims were black, Buffalo Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia said.
Speaking to CBS, a police source alleged that the man had shouted racial slurs during the shooting.’

What drives an 18 year old to commit this type of stuff is really beyond understanding.

[Byker28i]

Ten dead now
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/14/us/buffalo-ny-s...

Article on the shooter - believed the white replacement rubbish
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/gunmans-...


One of the people killed
Pearly Young, 77, was killed today in Buffalo shopping for groceries. She ran a pantry every Saturday for 25 years where she fed people in Central Park.

https://twitter.com/madisonlcarter/status/15256858...


Straight out of Tucker Carlson, whos been pushing this on his show
https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-pushe...

His response - just two weeks ago


https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 15th May 06:54

[JonChalk]

The Rotrex Kid said:

What drives an 18 year old to commit this type of stuff is really beyond understanding.

Byker has answered this question with his post above........

[bitchstewie]

Abundance of guns racism and mental illness what could go wrong.

Buffalo shooter Payton Gendron posted white supremacist manifesto

[ChocolateFrog]

I get that there are these lunatics about but I don't understand their actions.

So you've killed 10 people, while a tragedy for the local community it doesn't achieve anything and now if he's lucky he'll get to spend the rest of life behind bars. As an 18 year old that's going to be quite a while.

The Alan Partridge of the terrorist world.

[Byker28i]

Arizona State Senator Wendy Rogers is saying that the Buffalo mass murder was a false flag operation by the FBI.



Excuse the daily wail link but third highest ranking GOP...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10005261/...
FFS!

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 15th May 09:49

[gotoPzero]

AJL308 said:

louiechevy said:

Strangely these are legal in the UK for .22 semi automatic rifles



Its a one hundred and ten round drum magazine for a rugger 10/22 rifle!

Edited by louiechevy on Saturday 22 January 13:36

There are pretty ste and tend not to work very well.

Exactly they are pretty much a waste of money.

I missed this post back in January but basically the UK has no magazine capacity restrictions on section 1 firearms.

However. I shoot a lot of competitions where you shoot a lot of rounds in a short time. Quite often you get new shooters turning up with brand new drum mags because they assume more rounds must be better right?

They normally learn very quickly that 4 x 25rnd mags are faster than 1 x 100rnd drum mag!! They jam up, don't take the abuse bouncing off barricades etc and when fully loaded they are really heavy so your times are usually considerably slower.

[captain_cynic]

ChocolateFrog said:

I get that there are these lunatics about but I don't understand their actions.

This is what happens when someone is indoctrinated from a young age.

His parents are likely white supremacists or at the very least not opposed to it. Add to this Fox News, OANN and worse media sites like Stormfront reinforcing his vile beliefs it's entirely likely that the shooter thought and still thinks his actions were entirely correct and justified.

[captain_cynic]

I don't expect much is going to happen, the usual "thoughts and prayers (god bless)" and handwringing until the media cycle moves or or there is another mass shooting which requires more thoughts and prayers.

I do have to wonder what kind of media response we'd see if black communities started arming up in self defense?

[Don Roque]

Sadly these mentally ill people slip through the net, as the most recent case proves.

[djc206]

captain_cynic said:

This is what happens when someone is indoctrinated from a young age.

His parents are likely white supremacists or at the very least not opposed to it. Add to this Fox News, OANN and worse media sites like Stormfront reinforcing his vile beliefs it's entirely likely that the shooter thought and still thinks his actions were entirely correct and justified.

^this

There is so much hate and stupidity in US media that hatred ends up being nurtured. Them vs us, everything black and white, a false dichotomy that when combined with easy access to weapons results in events like this. What an utter waste of life.

[HM-2]

Don Roque said:

Sadly these mentally ill people slip through the net, as the most recent case proves.

White supremacism isn't a mental illness.

[captain_cynic]

HM-2 said:

Don Roque said:

Sadly these mentally ill people slip through the net, as the most recent case proves.

White supremacism isn't a mental illness.

I'd argue it was a symptom. It's clear this guy was not right in the head. That's no excuse for hate and racism though.

As for "slipping through the net", utter bks. Complete BS of the highest order. The signs were there as clear as day, they were deliberately ignored... Can't possibly think why that would be?

Edited by captain_cynic on Sunday 15th May 12:56

[rscott]

Live streamed on Twitch apparently. They've taken down the stream and are monitoring for rebroadcasts, but that may be an offence under the new Texas law - https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/15256300938585...

[Gweeds]

fking mind-blowing that Texas considers that the offence, along with abortion, but that gun control is always off the table.

Thoughts and prayers seems about all they can do.