The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
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captain_cynic said:
HM-2 said:
Don Roque said:
Sadly these mentally ill people slip through the net, as the most recent case proves.
White supremacism isn't a mental illness. As for "slipping through the net", utter b
ks. Complete BS of the highest order. The signs were there as clear as day, they were deliberately ignored... Can't possibly think why that would be?Edited by captain_cynic on Sunday 15th May 12:56
He armed himself and went out with the explicit intent of killing people of a particular ethnicity because of an ideological belief he held. He broadcast that ideology through his writings, and through streaming his shooting spree. To handwave it away as mental illness fails to address the real cancer at the heart of this tragedy.
gotoPzero said:
Exactly they are pretty much a waste of money.
I missed this post back in January but basically the UK has no magazine capacity restrictions on section 1 firearms.
However. I shoot a lot of competitions where you shoot a lot of rounds in a short time. Quite often you get new shooters turning up with brand new drum mags because they assume more rounds must be better right?
They normally learn very quickly that 4 x 25rnd mags are faster than 1 x 100rnd drum mag!! They jam up, don't take the abuse bouncing off barricades etc and when fully loaded they are really heavy so your times are usually considerably slower.
Is this really the time or the place? I missed this post back in January but basically the UK has no magazine capacity restrictions on section 1 firearms.
However. I shoot a lot of competitions where you shoot a lot of rounds in a short time. Quite often you get new shooters turning up with brand new drum mags because they assume more rounds must be better right?
They normally learn very quickly that 4 x 25rnd mags are faster than 1 x 100rnd drum mag!! They jam up, don't take the abuse bouncing off barricades etc and when fully loaded they are really heavy so your times are usually considerably slower.
Don Roque said:
Sadly these mentally ill people slip through the net, as the most recent case proves.
It's possible to have a net with holes that catch everything but the smallest fish and it's possible to have a net with gaping holes that can only catch a massive whale.The US seems to have little or no interest in trying to restrict gun control. If it didn't happen after sandy Hook I doubt there's ever going to be an incident bad enough for stricter gun controls to be applied.
Countdown said:
It's possible to have a net with holes that catch everything but the smallest fish and it's possible to have a net with gaping holes that can only catch a massive whale.
The US seems to have little or no interest in trying to restrict gun control. If it didn't happen after sandy Hook I doubt there's ever going to be an incident bad enough for stricter gun controls to be applied.
Yep. Sandy Hook was where the US decided that access to guns was more important than kids lives. The US seems to have little or no interest in trying to restrict gun control. If it didn't happen after sandy Hook I doubt there's ever going to be an incident bad enough for stricter gun controls to be applied.
The same lot who bang on about being ‘pro-life’. Seemingly only until birth.
Gweeds said:
Countdown said:
It's possible to have a net with holes that catch everything but the smallest fish and it's possible to have a net with gaping holes that can only catch a massive whale.
The US seems to have little or no interest in trying to restrict gun control. If it didn't happen after sandy Hook I doubt there's ever going to be an incident bad enough for stricter gun controls to be applied.
Yep. Sandy Hook was where the US decided that access to guns was more important than kids lives. The US seems to have little or no interest in trying to restrict gun control. If it didn't happen after sandy Hook I doubt there's ever going to be an incident bad enough for stricter gun controls to be applied.
The same lot who bang on about being ‘pro-life’. Seemingly only until birth.
Matt Harper said:
Is this really the time or the place?
What do you want? Sympathy? Thoughts & Prayers?Unless and until the USA actually does something meaningful about it then we will continue to bet on how long until the next one and pay out double when the death toll is in double figures.
Gweeds said:
fking mind-blowing that Texas considers that the offence, along with abortion, but that gun control is always off the table.
Thoughts and prayers seems about all they can do.
And what would you suggest?king mind-blowing that Texas considers that the offence, along with abortion, but that gun control is always off the table. Thoughts and prayers seems about all they can do.
Banning guns won't work in the US, it will just make those available on the black market more expensive. And just like the UK it gives an incentive to smuggle them in.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/27/poli...
I have no answers and the powers that be are struggling to find a solution.
NMNeil said:
And what would you suggest?
Banning guns won't work in the US, it will just make those available on the black market more expensive. And just like the UK it gives an incentive to smuggle them in.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/27/poli...
I have no answers and the powers that be are struggling to find a solution.
Banning them will make it much harder for loons to get hold of them which will reduce the number of fatalities. (I don't think anybody has suggested it will eliminate them).Banning guns won't work in the US, it will just make those available on the black market more expensive. And just like the UK it gives an incentive to smuggle them in.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/27/poli...
I have no answers and the powers that be are struggling to find a solution.
p.s. the "solution" is there but there aren't any votes in it.
Countdown said:
Banning them will make it much harder for loons to get hold of them which will reduce the number of fatalities. (I don't think anybody has suggested it will eliminate them).
p.s. the "solution" is there but there aren't any votes in it.
Where there's a will, there's a way.p.s. the "solution" is there but there aren't any votes in it.
Of course you could ban Youtube or close all the hardware stores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8IzRT_4rgs
And if they banned guns, the f
ksticks would simply turn to something else.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5597056...
The ban on knives in the UK simply is'nt working, neither is your ban on guns.
But rather than go back and forward with an endless argument, does anyone have an answer that would work, the world would love to cure the madness of one person killing another, no matter the weapon used?
NMNeil said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5597056...
The ban on knives in the UK simply is'nt working, neither is your ban on guns.
UK doesn't have a ban on knives or guns, just far stricter type and ownership laws than the US.The ban on knives in the UK simply is'nt working, neither is your ban on guns.
I could legally own anything from a shotgun, a revolver or a .50 cal bolt action in the UK.
Gweeds said:
Are you suggesting that limiting access to guns in the US would make no difference at all?
As the vast majority of guns are held by normal law abiding citizens, probably no. It may however increase the number of burglaries as the fksticks search for guns.And there's also the misconception that guns are easy to get legally. When I go to my local store to buy one I have to fill out this form.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-fire...
Wait while the ATF review it (Can take a few hours) and if approved it's mine, but if I want to sell it later I have to go through much the same process again.
So you don't just walk into a gun store, plonk down the money and they just give you the gun.
That’s your state.
And in other states that don’t do that?
I’m struggling to think why restricting guns wouldn’t have an effect on mass shootings when it’s worked in LITERALLY every country that’s done it.
Plus knives aren’t banned here. False equivalence much though? Do you think yesterday’s killer would have killed that many so fast with a knife?
No. No is the answer.
It’s ok though, there will be another mass shooting along soon. But nothing can be done, says only nation on earth that’s done nothing.
And in other states that don’t do that?
I’m struggling to think why restricting guns wouldn’t have an effect on mass shootings when it’s worked in LITERALLY every country that’s done it.
Plus knives aren’t banned here. False equivalence much though? Do you think yesterday’s killer would have killed that many so fast with a knife?
No. No is the answer.
It’s ok though, there will be another mass shooting along soon. But nothing can be done, says only nation on earth that’s done nothing.
NMNeil said:
Where there's a will, there's a way.
Of course you could ban Youtube or close all the hardware stores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8IzRT_4rgs
And if they banned guns, the fksticks would simply turn to something else.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5597056...
The ban on knives in the UK simply is'nt working, neither is your ban on guns.
But rather than go back and forward with an endless argument, does anyone have an answer that would work, the world would love to cure the madness of one person killing another, no matter the weapon used?
Honestly I think it’s too late. There are so many guns in the US that a ban would have very little real effect in the short to medium term.Of course you could ban Youtube or close all the hardware stores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8IzRT_4rgs
And if they banned guns, the f
ksticks would simply turn to something else.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5597056...
The ban on knives in the UK simply is'nt working, neither is your ban on guns.
But rather than go back and forward with an endless argument, does anyone have an answer that would work, the world would love to cure the madness of one person killing another, no matter the weapon used?
Guns are a very efficient way of killing people so although the f
ksticks would turn to something else (as they do in the U.K. with knives) the something else is considerably harder to use and considerably harder to use on multiple targets.The US and U.K. knife murder rates are about the same btw but the US has guns on top. That’s not to say that our knife laws have much effect
I’m not sure how you can conclude that U.K. firearms laws don’t work. They alter the risk/reward ratio and the cost is prohibitive for low level criminals.
NMNeil said:
Countdown said:
Banning them will make it much harder for loons to get hold of them which will reduce the number of fatalities. (I don't think anybody has suggested it will eliminate them).
p.s. the "solution" is there but there aren't any votes in it.
Where there's a will, there's a way.p.s. the "solution" is there but there aren't any votes in it.
Of course you could ban Youtube or close all the hardware stores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8IzRT_4rgs
And if they banned guns, the f
ksticks would simply turn to something else.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5597056...
The ban on knives in the UK simply is'nt working, neither is your ban on guns.
The attack in Buffalo was America's 198th mass shooting of 2022 — and we're only 19 weeks into the year.
That averages to about 10 attacks per week.
https://n.pr/3Lb4EFT
That averages to about 10 attacks per week.
https://n.pr/3Lb4EFT
NMNeil said:
And there's also the misconception that guns are easy to get legally. When I go to my local store to buy one I have to fill out this form.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-fire...
Wait while the ATF review it (Can take a few hours) and if approved it's mine, but if I want to sell it later I have to go through much the same process again.
So you don't just walk into a gun store, plonk down the money and they just give you the gun.
It only takes a few hours for your nationwide criminal record, medical records and any counter-terrorism intelligence on your name, address and associates to be found, reviewed, approved and released? I think not...https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-fire...
Wait while the ATF review it (Can take a few hours) and if approved it's mine, but if I want to sell it later I have to go through much the same process again.
So you don't just walk into a gun store, plonk down the money and they just give you the gun.
Gweeds said:
The attack in Buffalo was America's 198th mass shooting of 2022 — and we're only 19 weeks into the year.
That averages to about 10 attacks per week.
https://n.pr/3Lb4EFT
About the [rising] average: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tollsThat averages to about 10 attacks per week.
https://n.pr/3Lb4EFT
For clarification:
Mass Murder: FOUR or more killed in a single event [incident], at the same general time and location not including the shooter.
Mass Shooting: FOUR or more shot and/or killed in a single event [incident], at the same general time and location not including the shooter.
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