The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

[Mark-C]

Voldemort said:

Mark-C said:

There's some doubling up on that list ... it's worrying enough without.

Having lived in Ohio I spotted OSU on there twice.

4 May 1970
28 November 2016
13 November 2023

Admittedly the last was off campus.

I've had a look again and looks like pasted twice so whole list from Thurston to Oxford High is repeated.

Still a very interesting list.

For the sake of pedantry 4th May 1970 was Kent State University which is in Ohio but not part of Ohio State. It's the one I was looking for as I moved to a town six miles away a couple of years later as a kid ...

Many Americans wouldn't include it because it was National State Guards doing the shooting and not "random shooters" and, therefore, somehow OK!

[Byker28i]

The list of Mass shootings from 2023 is long enough. A total of 725 people were killed and 2,419 other people were injured in 592 shootings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootin...

[The Moose]

Byker28i said:

New gun laws in the US as of yesterday
• Californians will be barred from carrying guns in most public places
• Washington State is expanding its 10-day waiting period to purchases of all guns
• Illinois is banning high-powered semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines
• Colorado is banning ghost guns

In my opinion:
1. Total waste of time and frankly stupid
2. Not really an issue either way - I'd be interested to know how many shootings use guns that were legally purchased less than 2 weeks prior
3. Total waste of time and also frankly stupid
4. I'm ambivalent about these - I'd probably err on the side of banning ghost gun kits

[paua]

For the uninitiated, wtf is a ghost gun & how many ghosts have been shot?

[The Moose]

paua said:

For the uninitiated, wtf is a ghost gun & how many ghosts have been shot?

All you need to know is not to cross the streams!

As far as I understand it, you can buy a non functional ‘gun’ that can be turned into a functional gun with basic tools such as a hand drill - often sold with clear directions on how to make these changes.

The sale and distribution is not restricted in the same way firearms are. I don’t know the legality of turning one into a functioning weapon - my guess is if you’re not allowed to posses a gun you are not allowed to modify a kit…but I really don’t know.

[dvs_dave]

The Moose said:

Byker28i said:

New gun laws in the US as of yesterday
• Californians will be barred from carrying guns in most public places
• Washington State is expanding its 10-day waiting period to purchases of all guns
• Illinois is banning high-powered semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines
• Colorado is banning ghost guns

In my opinion:
1. Total waste of time and frankly stupid
2. Not really an issue either way - I'd be interested to know how many shootings use guns that were legally purchased less than 2 weeks prior
3. Total waste of time and also frankly stupid
4. I'm ambivalent about these - I'd probably err on the side of banning ghost gun kits

3. Highland Park mass shooting (for example) would have been prevented if this law was already in place. No telling what future ones may now be avoided.

[dvs_dave]

The Moose said:

All you need to know is not to cross the streams!

As far as I understand it, you can buy a non functional ‘gun’ that can be turned into a functional gun with basic tools such as a hand drill - often sold with clear directions on how to make these changes.

The sale and distribution is not restricted in the same way firearms are. I don’t know the legality of turning one into a functioning weapon - my guess is if you’re not allowed to posses a gun you are not allowed to modify a kit…but I really don’t know.

That, and also they don’t have serial numbers so are completely untraceable. That’s the “ghost” part.

[paua]

Cheers, Moose.
In the wake of Christchurch mosque shootings, we underwent substantial gun law changes. A friend who was a retired a pro deer hunter was not allowed to keep his rifle as a momento/ keepsake, even in a totally disabled form.

[The Moose]

dvs_dave said:

The Moose said:

Byker28i said:

New gun laws in the US as of yesterday
• Californians will be barred from carrying guns in most public places
• Washington State is expanding its 10-day waiting period to purchases of all guns
• Illinois is banning high-powered semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines
• Colorado is banning ghost guns

In my opinion:
1. Total waste of time and frankly stupid
2. Not really an issue either way - I'd be interested to know how many shootings use guns that were legally purchased less than 2 weeks prior
3. Total waste of time and also frankly stupid
4. I'm ambivalent about these - I'd probably err on the side of banning ghost gun kits

3. Highland Park mass shooting (for example) would have been prevented if this law was already in place. No telling what future ones may now be avoided.

I don’t know that you’re right there.

[dvs_dave]

The Moose said:

I don’t know that you’re right there.

Why? The perp wouldn’t have been able to buy the weapon that he used. Remember he bought them legally with his moron father (also jailed) countersigning. A handgun with a 10 round magazine wouldn’t have been anywhere near as effective.

[The Moose]

dvs_dave said:

The Moose said:

I don’t know that you’re right there.

Why? The perp wouldn’t have been able to buy the weapon that he used. Remember he bought them legally with his moron father (also jailed) countersigning. A handgun with a 10 round magazine wouldn’t have been anywhere near as effective.

Because I believe highland park is less than an hour away from where any private firearm transaction can be done with no background check and little restriction.

[Gary C]

Voldemort said:

School shootings:

Long list of schools

Thats sad

[dvs_dave]

The Moose said:

dvs_dave said:

The Moose said:

I don’t know that you’re right there.

Why? The perp wouldn’t have been able to buy the weapon that he used. Remember he bought them legally with his moron father (also jailed) countersigning. A handgun with a 10 round magazine wouldn’t have been anywhere near as effective.

Because I believe highland park is less than an hour away from where any private firearm transaction can be done with no background check and little restriction.

Which would be an illegal firearm purchase (buying guns deemed illegal by your home state in another state isn’t legal), as well as transporting an illegal weapon across state lines being a federal offense.

So it now goes from a legal purchase, to a very illegal one involving other knowing parties. Sure, you can still try and do it, but it ups the ante, cost and points of failure significantly. As well as having to associate with some very unsavory characters in the process, and law enforcement/undercover ATF specifically being on the lookout for this sort of thing.

You have to look at these types of things with the “Swiss cheese disaster model”. So many things have to align/go wrong to make it possible. No one law can totally solve the problem, but adding more “holes” (and serious ones at that) in any possible sequence of events will significantly reduce the chances of it being able to happen again, which is the whole point.

[Seasonal Hero]

UK

Dunblane.

That’s it right?

[Stan the Bat]

Seasonal Hero said:

UK

Dunblane.

That’s it right?

Hungerford.

[Seasonal Hero]

Stan the Bat said:

Hungerford.

Schools

[vaud]

Seasonal Hero said:

UK

Dunblane.

That’s it right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootin...

Very few schools.

[Seasonal Hero]

vaud said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootin...

Very few schools.

Thank you

[J6542]

Seasonal Hero said:

vaud said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootin...

Very few schools.

Thank you

We have had quite a few knife incidents at schools, which no doubt would have been a lot worse if the kids had easy access to guns instead.

I seen a news clip the other day from somewhere near Tampa, where two brothers aged 14 and 15 had been arguing on Christmas Day about what presents their mum had bought them. They had pulled guns on each other, and when their older sister had tried to intervene one of the guns went off killing her, the other brother whose gun never went off, then shot the brother who had killed the sister. That family is now ruined, with a dead daughter, two brothers doing serious jail time and two very young children left without a mum.

[Stan the Bat]

J6542 said:

Seasonal Hero said:

vaud said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootin...

Very few schools.

Thank you

We have had quite a few knife incidents at schools, which no doubt would have been a lot worse if the kids had easy access to guns instead.

I seen a news clip the other day from somewhere near Tampa, where two brothers aged 14 and 15 had been arguing on Christmas Day about what presents their mum had bought them. They had pulled guns on each other, and when their older sister had tried to intervene one of the guns went off killing her, the other brother whose gun never went off, then shot the brother who had killed the sister. That family is now ruined, with a dead daughter, two brothers doing serious jail time and two very young children left without a mum.

I saw that too, unbelievable.