The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
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J6542 said:
We have had quite a few knife incidents at schools, which no doubt would have been a lot worse if the kids had easy access to guns instead.
I seen a news clip the other day from somewhere near Tampa, where two brothers aged 14 and 15 had been arguing on Christmas Day about what presents their mum had bought them. They had pulled guns on each other, and when their older sister had tried to intervene one of the guns went off killing her, the other brother whose gun never went off, then shot the brother who had killed the sister. That family is now ruined, with a dead daughter, two brothers doing serious jail time and two very young children left without a mum.
It’s a crazy situation, but speaking callously, Darwin at work.I seen a news clip the other day from somewhere near Tampa, where two brothers aged 14 and 15 had been arguing on Christmas Day about what presents their mum had bought them. They had pulled guns on each other, and when their older sister had tried to intervene one of the guns went off killing her, the other brother whose gun never went off, then shot the brother who had killed the sister. That family is now ruined, with a dead daughter, two brothers doing serious jail time and two very young children left without a mum.
Another happening in Iowa. Multiple victims. Grim.
https://news.sky.com/story/multiple-victims-after-...
https://news.sky.com/story/multiple-victims-after-...
Squadrone Rosso said:
Another happening in Iowa. Multiple victims. Grim.
https://news.sky.com/story/multiple-victims-after-...
Recently, Iowa legalised both open and concealed carry of guns without a permit. https://news.sky.com/story/multiple-victims-after-...
Pump action shotgun and a handgun this time, shot one student dead injured others then killed himself
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/liv...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6788919...
Auntie said:
The chief executive of the US gun lobby group the National Rifle Association (NRA) has resigned, the organisation has said.
Wayne LaPierre, 74, will step down as of 31 January after leading the NRA for more than three decades.
His resignation comes days before a New York civil trial, in which he and other senior leaders are accused of misusing NRA funds.
Will be interesting to see what, if any, changes this might make.Wayne LaPierre, 74, will step down as of 31 January after leading the NRA for more than three decades.
His resignation comes days before a New York civil trial, in which he and other senior leaders are accused of misusing NRA funds.
hidetheelephants said:
Doesn't the NRA effectively belong to Letitia James after all the legal shenanigans? Would be quite a thing if it were returned to being the gun safety organisation it used to be.
Given the current political situation in America, I would suggest they will appoint someone even more extreme, deluded and greedy than LaPierre.Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Saturday 6th January 08:15
It seems the arguments for 'a good guy with a gun' pushed by the NRA was based on faulty research back in the 90's.
Surveys at the time, including a widely-cited study by Gary Kleck and Matt Gertz, estimated that between 760,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses (DGU) occurred annually.
But the Harvard Injury Control Research Center found two years later that fewer than 550,000 burglaries occurred in gun owners' homes annually, while Kleck and Gertz had estimated that "guns were used for self-defense during burglaries approximately 845,000 times."
"Burglary victims would have needed to use their gun defensively in more than 100% of cases, which is, of course, impossible,"
Theya also found that found that nine times as many people report being victimised by a person with a gun than being protected by a firearm.
NCVS data from 2007-11 showed that of the 14,145 crime incidents in which a victim was present, less than 1% involved defensive gun uses - the good guy with a gun.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking...
"The idea that one is not safe unless they are carrying a gun is perhaps the most personal and insidious myth constructed by the gun lobby,"
Surveys at the time, including a widely-cited study by Gary Kleck and Matt Gertz, estimated that between 760,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses (DGU) occurred annually.
But the Harvard Injury Control Research Center found two years later that fewer than 550,000 burglaries occurred in gun owners' homes annually, while Kleck and Gertz had estimated that "guns were used for self-defense during burglaries approximately 845,000 times."
"Burglary victims would have needed to use their gun defensively in more than 100% of cases, which is, of course, impossible,"
Theya also found that found that nine times as many people report being victimised by a person with a gun than being protected by a firearm.
NCVS data from 2007-11 showed that of the 14,145 crime incidents in which a victim was present, less than 1% involved defensive gun uses - the good guy with a gun.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking...
"The idea that one is not safe unless they are carrying a gun is perhaps the most personal and insidious myth constructed by the gun lobby,"
Is it even a Super Bowl if there isn't a mass shooting at the victory parade?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6824817...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6824817...
Cold said:
Is it even a Super Bowl if there isn't a mass shooting at the victory parade?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6824817...
Just another day in a city where on average someone is shot dead every 2 days. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6824817...
This as trump boasts at his rallys he did nothing to affect their second amendment rights.
Gun supporter Gov Mike Parsons was allegedly seen running scared for his life, flanked by his security team. Comparisons are being drawn to Josh Hawley running from the capitol.
https://www.rawstory.com/gop-governor-running-scar...
Parsons was running so fast, flanked by law enforcement officers, he could have easily been mistaken for the infamous fake Missouri resident, Senator running man Josh Hawley.
Once he was safe and secure, escorted from the danger zone by law enforcement, he announced that he and First Lady Parson were safe -- unlike millions of Americans who are at a daily risk from random gun violence.
https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1757982...
Gun supporter Gov Mike Parsons was allegedly seen running scared for his life, flanked by his security team. Comparisons are being drawn to Josh Hawley running from the capitol.
https://www.rawstory.com/gop-governor-running-scar...
Parsons was running so fast, flanked by law enforcement officers, he could have easily been mistaken for the infamous fake Missouri resident, Senator running man Josh Hawley.
Once he was safe and secure, escorted from the danger zone by law enforcement, he announced that he and First Lady Parson were safe -- unlike millions of Americans who are at a daily risk from random gun violence.
https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1757982...
One gunman was tackled to the ground by fans, not stopped by 'a good guy with a gun'
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/14/us/kansas-city-...
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/14/us/kansas-city-...
Byker28i said:
where did that come from? Not in reports in the media yet?
It's mentioned in the BBC articleBBC article said:
A law enforcement source told CBS News, the BBC's US partner, that the shooting appeared to be the result of an argument that turned violent. The source said it was not terrorism-related.
Ian Geary said:
3 suspects arrested, and news reports are of an argument that "turned violent".
I wonder how the nra will spin this? As I'm sure no one would defend the constitutional right to bear arms in order to settle and argument that got out of hand.
Pick one or more:I wonder how the nra will spin this? As I'm sure no one would defend the constitutional right to bear arms in order to settle and argument that got out of hand.
- Biden’s fault.
- The Democrats fault.
- The libs/socialists fault.
- Not enough good guys with guns to stop the bad guys with guns (who used to be good guys with guns) having a gunfight in a crowd of thousands.
- 2nd amendment rights.
- Thoughts and prayers for the dead/injured.
deadtom said:
Byker28i said:
where did that come from? Not in reports in the media yet?
It's mentioned in the BBC articleBBC article said:
A law enforcement source told CBS News, the BBC's US partner, that the shooting appeared to be the result of an argument that turned violent. The source said it was not terrorism-related.
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