Brexit or Bregret? poll
Poll: Brexit or Bregret? poll
Total Members Polled: 1237
Discussion
jurbie said:
Whilst open to the idea of Brexit I voted remain after the campaigning suggested our politicians didn't really understand the issues enough to deliver a Brexit that would not be harmful to the country. Since the referendum I've not seen anything to change my mind.
If a good outcome from Brexit was ever a possibility, the politicians we since elected made sure they weren't the ones to be able to do it.
jurbie said:
Whilst open to the idea of Brexit I voted remain after the campaigning suggested our politicians didn't really understand the issues enough to deliver a Brexit that would not be harmful to the country. Since the referendum I've not seen anything to change my mind.
Exactly my take as well. The Brexit I could have voted for was not on offer given the position of national discourse at the time and the movers and shakers behind the Leave campaigns. A Brexit on their terms would (and seems to be) taking the Uk further from where I would like it to be, not closer, so I voted Remain. The unending back-pedalling, roll-overs, capitulation and false starts that have marked the negotiation phase (why kick off Article 50 just eight months after the referendum when it should be the work of years or decades to safely and properly disentangle a nation from the EU?) only make sure I have no regrets. It was the wrong idea being managed by the wrong people.
I really wanted a referendum with a “wait until the next GE and ask again” option and let us put down an order of preference.
I’m not a fan of the EU as a bureaucratic entity but I am fairly keen on the single market element. I voted Remain and would again because I don’t see that removing ourselves at this point in time having only just scraped our way out of a recession was a smart move. At the end of the day we can always leave with a 2 year notice period, we can’t rejoin with ease. Well that was my logic.
I’m not a fan of the EU as a bureaucratic entity but I am fairly keen on the single market element. I voted Remain and would again because I don’t see that removing ourselves at this point in time having only just scraped our way out of a recession was a smart move. At the end of the day we can always leave with a 2 year notice period, we can’t rejoin with ease. Well that was my logic.
I voted to remain, mainly on the strength of the maxim that it is best not to test the depth of the water with both feet at the same time. I'm a cautious sort of a bloke.
I feel a bit vindicated by the ineptitude of the negotiators on both sides.
I have never understood why some people insist on calling the EU Commission unelected - each member is proposed by their own elected government, and can be vetoed by the EU Parliament, an elected body. Considering over half the Parliamentarians in this country are unelected, it's a bit pot and kettle. I also thought we were sitting pretty having EU Membership without either the Euro or Shengen. A bit of a result that. In addition, we have as many self-serving corrupt politicians in Westminster (and our town halls) as there are in Brussels. Governments all over the world seem to be suffering from a lack of the right type of people coming forward for public service.
But I just voted that I would not vote again if another referendum came along.
I think it is dangerous to repeat a referendum until the 'right' result is gained, and the people that lost ought to get a grip and face up to the fact that in a democracy you don't always find yourself on the winning side. It's everybody's job now to make what ever comes next work. It might be a tough few years, but who knows, it could be the kick up the backside this country has needed for a while now.
There is no 'Oh, we've changed out mind' clause in Article 50. We've triggered it and we're out. The remoaners are in fantasy land thinking this can be reversed. And there is no way we could get back in without taking on Shengen and the Euro as well. I also am starting to feel that the UK looks more stable going forwards than the EU, with the internal pressures that are opening up.
I feel a bit vindicated by the ineptitude of the negotiators on both sides.
I have never understood why some people insist on calling the EU Commission unelected - each member is proposed by their own elected government, and can be vetoed by the EU Parliament, an elected body. Considering over half the Parliamentarians in this country are unelected, it's a bit pot and kettle. I also thought we were sitting pretty having EU Membership without either the Euro or Shengen. A bit of a result that. In addition, we have as many self-serving corrupt politicians in Westminster (and our town halls) as there are in Brussels. Governments all over the world seem to be suffering from a lack of the right type of people coming forward for public service.
But I just voted that I would not vote again if another referendum came along.
I think it is dangerous to repeat a referendum until the 'right' result is gained, and the people that lost ought to get a grip and face up to the fact that in a democracy you don't always find yourself on the winning side. It's everybody's job now to make what ever comes next work. It might be a tough few years, but who knows, it could be the kick up the backside this country has needed for a while now.
There is no 'Oh, we've changed out mind' clause in Article 50. We've triggered it and we're out. The remoaners are in fantasy land thinking this can be reversed. And there is no way we could get back in without taking on Shengen and the Euro as well. I also am starting to feel that the UK looks more stable going forwards than the EU, with the internal pressures that are opening up.
Roofless Toothless said:
I voted to remain, mainly on the strength of the maxim that it is best not to test the depth of the water with both feet at the same time. I'm a cautious sort of a bloke.
I feel a bit vindicated by the ineptitude of the negotiators on both sides.
I have never understood why some people insist on calling the EU Commission unelected - each member is proposed by their own elected government, and can be vetoed by the EU Parliament, an elected body. Considering over half the Parliamentarians in this country are unelected, it's a bit pot and kettle. I also thought we were sitting pretty having EU Membership without either the Euro or Shengen. A bit of a result that. In addition, we have as many self-serving corrupt politicians in Westminster (and our town halls) as there are in Brussels. Governments all over the world seem to be suffering from a lack of the right type of people coming forward for public service.
But I just voted that I would not vote again if another referendum came along.
I think it is dangerous to repeat a referendum until the 'right' result is gained, and the people that lost ought to get a grip and face up to the fact that in a democracy you don't always find yourself on the winning side. It's everybody's job now to make what ever comes next work. It might be a tough few years, but who knows, it could be the kick up the backside this country has needed for a while now.
There is no 'Oh, we've changed out mind' clause in Article 50. We've triggered it and we're out. The remoaners are in fantasy land thinking this can be reversed. And there is no way we could get back in without taking on Shengen and the Euro as well. I also am starting to feel that the UK looks more stable going forwards than the EU, with the internal pressures that are opening up.
I was under the impression we could withdraw our notice? I’m sure there would be some punishment (probably budgetary). I feel a bit vindicated by the ineptitude of the negotiators on both sides.
I have never understood why some people insist on calling the EU Commission unelected - each member is proposed by their own elected government, and can be vetoed by the EU Parliament, an elected body. Considering over half the Parliamentarians in this country are unelected, it's a bit pot and kettle. I also thought we were sitting pretty having EU Membership without either the Euro or Shengen. A bit of a result that. In addition, we have as many self-serving corrupt politicians in Westminster (and our town halls) as there are in Brussels. Governments all over the world seem to be suffering from a lack of the right type of people coming forward for public service.
But I just voted that I would not vote again if another referendum came along.
I think it is dangerous to repeat a referendum until the 'right' result is gained, and the people that lost ought to get a grip and face up to the fact that in a democracy you don't always find yourself on the winning side. It's everybody's job now to make what ever comes next work. It might be a tough few years, but who knows, it could be the kick up the backside this country has needed for a while now.
There is no 'Oh, we've changed out mind' clause in Article 50. We've triggered it and we're out. The remoaners are in fantasy land thinking this can be reversed. And there is no way we could get back in without taking on Shengen and the Euro as well. I also am starting to feel that the UK looks more stable going forwards than the EU, with the internal pressures that are opening up.
Either way I don’t see that you should carry on with something if it’s not working out how you planned (before anyone gets all wound up I’m not suggesting that’s happened). Once the negotiations have been concluded we’ll know where we stand and it may be a good idea to rethink or reaffirm our position. To me that seems sensible given the complete nonsense that we were told by both Leave and Remain camps during the campaign. At least next time we’d all know exactly what we were voting for, that’d be quite novel actually!
djc206 said:
I was under the impression we could withdraw our notice? I’m sure there would be some punishment (probably budgetary).
Either way I don’t see that you should carry on with something if it’s not working out how you planned (before anyone gets all wound up I’m not suggesting that’s happened). Once the negotiations have been concluded we’ll know where we stand and it may be a good idea to rethink or reaffirm our position. To me that seems sensible given the complete nonsense that we were told by both Leave and Remain camps during the campaign. At least next time we’d all know exactly what we were voting for, that’d be quite novel actually!
You really want to go through all that crap again?Either way I don’t see that you should carry on with something if it’s not working out how you planned (before anyone gets all wound up I’m not suggesting that’s happened). Once the negotiations have been concluded we’ll know where we stand and it may be a good idea to rethink or reaffirm our position. To me that seems sensible given the complete nonsense that we were told by both Leave and Remain camps during the campaign. At least next time we’d all know exactly what we were voting for, that’d be quite novel actually!
TV debates, leaflets, posters etc?
No thanks,its done,it was binding,get Farage in the negotiating team and it'll all be done by Friday.
Funkycoldribena said:
You really want to go through all that crap again?
TV debates, leaflets, posters etc?
No thanks,its done,it was binding,get Farage in the negotiating team and it'll all be done by Friday.
The crap was caused by us voting for something with so many unknowns. Once the terms of our departure are established there’ll be very little that could be argued over.TV debates, leaflets, posters etc?
No thanks,its done,it was binding,get Farage in the negotiating team and it'll all be done by Friday.
Farage has been an MEP for 18 years and not done much but antagonise (sometimes brilliantly), I’m not sure he’d add much as a negotiator being as confrontational as he can be.
Oh and it absolutely was not binding. That’s what “non binding” means. It was only binding in the sense that offering a referendum commits the government to honouring the result or finding themselves on their arses very soon after not doing so.
djc206 said:
The crap was caused by us voting for something with so many unknowns. Once the terms of our departure are established there’ll be very little that could be argued over.
Farage has been an MEP for 18 years and not done much but antagonise (sometimes brilliantly), I’m not sure he’d add much as a negotiator being as confrontational as he can be.
Oh and it absolutely was not binding. That’s what “non binding” means. It was only binding in the sense that offering a referendum commits the government to honouring the result or finding themselves on their arses very soon after not doing so.
Very little to argue over? Yeah right...Farage has been an MEP for 18 years and not done much but antagonise (sometimes brilliantly), I’m not sure he’d add much as a negotiator being as confrontational as he can be.
Oh and it absolutely was not binding. That’s what “non binding” means. It was only binding in the sense that offering a referendum commits the government to honouring the result or finding themselves on their arses very soon after not doing so.
We'd have all the same TV debates with doom again without a doubt.
djc206 said:
I was under the impression we could withdraw our notice? I’m sure there would be some punishment (probably budgetary).
Either way I don’t see that you should carry on with something if it’s not working out how you planned (before anyone gets all wound up I’m not suggesting that’s happened). Once the negotiations have been concluded we’ll know where we stand and it may be a good idea to rethink or reaffirm our position. To me that seems sensible given the complete nonsense that we were told by both Leave and Remain camps during the campaign. At least next time we’d all know exactly what we were voting for, that’d be quite novel actually!
The (British) diplomat who wrote Article 50 has said that, as he interpreted the clause, there was nothing stopping the EU and the leaving nation from halting or restarting the process by mutual agreement. That seems to be the legal consensus on the matter. What terms would have to be agreed to acheive that is anyone's guess but it's a possibility. Either way I don’t see that you should carry on with something if it’s not working out how you planned (before anyone gets all wound up I’m not suggesting that’s happened). Once the negotiations have been concluded we’ll know where we stand and it may be a good idea to rethink or reaffirm our position. To me that seems sensible given the complete nonsense that we were told by both Leave and Remain camps during the campaign. At least next time we’d all know exactly what we were voting for, that’d be quite novel actually!
Given the often-nebulous, wildly-differing and occasionally incompatible versions of 'Leave' that 17.5 million people voted for, a second referendum on the final deal sounds ideal, but it just opens up even more cans of worms if it's rejected. Presumeably the original 'Leave' vote remains in play (because the second referendum was a different, subsidiary question) but what can either the UK or the EU do? They've thrashed out a deal and there's not much else that can be done just because the people leaving don't like it. It's not like the EU are going to soften their stance if they have to go through the whole negotiation process again, so a second deal is almost certainly going to be on worse terms.
It would just turn the whole thing into an endless bit of political theatre. Something that will be little-known political trivia- "Did you know that, technically, the UK is still in the process of leaving the EU? It's just that both sides agreed that negotiations had 'stalled' in 2038! They hold a meeting in Brussels every year where the the EU delegation offer a bent banana with a metric weight tag to the British representative, who symbolically rejects it and hurls it into the bin. This time-honoured tradition has been going on for 50 years."
RemyMartin81D said:
Good summary. The comments thread is hilarious.
Yipper said:
Lol.
Brexit is winning.
I was expecting it to be massively for remain considering how much we keep being told that the country has changed it's mind back to staying in. Brexit is winning.
Not true going by this poll so far, another tantrum inducing thread for the small flock of permanently logged in prolix parrots.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Where is the...
"I'll vote which ever way that will get this b
ks sorted the quickest, so that the government can actually get back to running the fking country & getting the economy back on track because the number of fks I actually give about this subject is now officially zero,"
... option?
I'm with The Toad on this; I am f"I'll vote which ever way that will get this b
ks sorted the quickest, so that the government can actually get back to running the fking country & getting the economy back on track because the number of fks I actually give about this subject is now officially zero,"... option?
king sick to the back teeth hearing about "Brexit This & Brexit That, and everything from sperm counts to earthquakes will be affected by it". fk it off. Right the way off. Just fking sort it.Ridgemont said:
RemyMartin81D said:
Good summary. The comments thread is hilarious.re: Comments. f
king shocking! They are doing EVERYTHING the article said they shouldn't do! The irony is mental! Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff