Brexit or Bregret? poll
Poll: Brexit or Bregret? poll
Total Members Polled: 1237
Discussion
don'tbesilly said:
The fact Cameron resigned didn't mean the referendum and the result was subsequently reneged on, and for an intelligent person to suggest such doesn't say much for you.
That’s not what I wrote. Some people argue that the referendum was not advisory, because Cameron had publicly committed to act on the result. He reneged on that commitment by resigning.
Brexit is happening because May, correctly reading the mood of Tory supporters and the rest of her party, decided to make it her policy to leave.
languagetimothy said:
A "friend" on FB is really into and involved in the anti brexit thing. Goes on marches etc., my view is that there was a vote, and the result was leave. That's that then, get on with it.
I resisted commenting on any of her posts because of the vast amounts of bile I'd get back from her group of friends. However, there was something posted about this guy doing a gig or whatever
https://www.newsflare.com/video/198057/politics-bu...
An Elvis impersonator on the remain side. I pointed out that it was ironic that Elvis only left the USA once in his life and that was to go to Europe, for 18 months with the army to keep the Krauts in check, didn't go down well... splendid.
Anyway, I voted out, but haven't told my friend that I'm off to live full time in my Portugal pad by the end of the year...I think I'll by unfriended... boo n probably hooo as well.
Err. Ok.I resisted commenting on any of her posts because of the vast amounts of bile I'd get back from her group of friends. However, there was something posted about this guy doing a gig or whatever
https://www.newsflare.com/video/198057/politics-bu...
An Elvis impersonator on the remain side. I pointed out that it was ironic that Elvis only left the USA once in his life and that was to go to Europe, for 18 months with the army to keep the Krauts in check, didn't go down well... splendid.
Anyway, I voted out, but haven't told my friend that I'm off to live full time in my Portugal pad by the end of the year...I think I'll by unfriended... boo n probably hooo as well.
Elysium said:
That’s not what I wrote.
Some people argue that the referendum was not advisory, because Cameron had publicly committed to act on the result. He reneged on that commitment by resigning.
Brexit is happening because May, correctly reading the mood of Tory supporters and the rest of her party, decided to make it her policy to leave.
You are aware that we elect a party, not a leader, right?Some people argue that the referendum was not advisory, because Cameron had publicly committed to act on the result. He reneged on that commitment by resigning.
Brexit is happening because May, correctly reading the mood of Tory supporters and the rest of her party, decided to make it her policy to leave.
The Conservative party publicly committed to uphold the referendum result in their 2015 manifesto.
Conservative2015Manifesto said:
David Cameron has committed that he will only lead a
government that offers an in-out referendum. We will hold
that in-out referendum before the end of 2017 and respect
the outcome
Brexit is happening because the Conservatives pledged that they would hold a referendum and respect the result. The Conservatives were elected, not Cameron. Cameron resigning and May taking over changes nothing. The elected party is still the elected party, with the same commitments.government that offers an in-out referendum. We will hold
that in-out referendum before the end of 2017 and respect
the outcome
Brexit is actually happening because parliament took a vote about it. Unless I am mistaken the leave hero Gina Millar and her rich backers went to court and won a case which meant the decision to invoke Art 50 needed to be parliaments decision. Without that court case there could have been all sorts of challenges around the referendum and the decisions following it Now meh not so much...
Gotta love the law of unintended consequences.
Gotta love the law of unintended consequences.
Elysium said:
Some people argue that the referendum was not advisory, because Cameron had publicly committed to act on the result. He reneged on that commitment by resigning.
They can argue that, but it is utter nonsense.Elysium said:
Brexit is happening because May, correctly reading the mood of Tory supporters and the rest of her party, decided to make it her policy to leave.
Cameron was a gutless turd of a PM. He should never have resigned - it will forever make him look weak and fickle. His job was to run the referendum and act on whatever result, he failed on half of that. Prior to that, his job was to try to get a better deal for the UK in the EU and he comprehensively fudged that up too. He will forever be seen and a fudger and a quitter.May merely picked up the baton when, seemingly, no one else was either ready or able to.
Elysium said:
Brexit is happening because May, correctly reading the mood of Tory supporters and the rest of her party, decided to make it her policy to leave.
Ahhh, so that's why the Tories went from a clear parliamentary majority to a gnats pubic hair to giving the Prime Ministership to Jeremy Corbyn and having to form a coalition govt.Looks like they incorrectly read the mood of the people and were punished for it in the GE.
captain_cynic said:
Ahhh, so that's why the Tories went from a clear parliamentary majority to a gnats pubic hair to giving the Prime Ministership to Jeremy Corbyn and having to form a coalition govt.
Looks like they incorrectly read the mood of the people and were punished for it in the GE.
That makes no sense when you understand that they actually increased their share of the vote.Looks like they incorrectly read the mood of the people and were punished for it in the GE.
captain_cynic said:
Ahhh, so that's why the Tories went from a clear parliamentary majority to a gnats pubic hair to giving the Prime Ministership to Jeremy Corbyn and having to form a coalition govt.
Looks like they incorrectly read the mood of the people and were punished for it in the GE.
Remind me again how the Lib Dems - with a clear policy of reversing Brexit - did in the GE? The Tories lost ground to Labour due to May's tin ear on Grenfel and other issues, not Brexit.Looks like they incorrectly read the mood of the people and were punished for it in the GE.
The mood of the people appears to be "Get on with it"... and if you step outside of the increasingly isolated group who're *still* fighting the Referendum, you'll see that most people just don't care as much as you think. Watch Question Time and take an objective look at the audience response and you can clearly see the shift that has occurred.
And if you really think that Brexit is a poisoned chalice, you have to ask why Corbyn is not capitalising on it. What's Labour's position on the EU again?
jurbie said:
Whilst open to the idea of Brexit I voted remain after the campaigning suggested our politicians didn't really understand the issues enough to deliver a Brexit that would not be harmful to the country. Since the referendum I've not seen anything to change my mind.
I'm quoting from months ago, but this was my take too. It was all far, far too vague and I was pretty uncomfortable about it as a result. My discomfort is proving well founded.EddieSteadyGo said:
Calling for a second vote isn't desirable or logical. Whilst the referendum for legal reasons was advisory, the government made clear they would implement the result in good faith.
And let's think through what would happen if there was a second vote. We know Tusk etc would far prefer us to stay - so the EU would just offer the worst possible deal in order to maximise the chances of getting the result they wanted.
Exactly why I hugely disagree with the "People's Vote" campaign. Traitorous is not a word to be used lightly, but it is heading in that direction. They are campaigning to weaken the government's hand in negotiations by demanding a vote on the outcome - the government will effectively go into negotiation with one arm tied behind it's back. And let's think through what would happen if there was a second vote. We know Tusk etc would far prefer us to stay - so the EU would just offer the worst possible deal in order to maximise the chances of getting the result they wanted.
Once a deal is put on the table, if they get their way one of two things will happen:
- We vote to accept a worse deal than we would have otherwise got. Well done People's Vote, you've just f
ked us over for you own entertainment.- We vote not to accept a deal, all hell breaks loose and we're back at the beginning for another 20 years of arguing.
The best outcome for the UK would have been May winning a thumping majority and to be able to ram through whatever she wanted. We'd have got the best deal possible then.
I'm not a strong Brexiter or Remainer - I can see the arguments from both sides. My views have hardened towards Brexit over the last 18 months as it has become increasingly clear that the EU is not our friend.
sidicks said:
That makes no sense when you understand that they actually increased their share of the vote.
Erm... they lost seats and had to form a coalition with DUP? How is that increasing?The Tories effectively lost power, trying to argue otherwise is at best lying with statistics.
captain_cynic said:
sidicks said:
That makes no sense when you understand that they actually increased their share of the vote.
Erm... they lost seats and had to form a coalition with DUP? How is that increasing?The Tories effectively lost power, trying to argue otherwise is at best lying with statistics.
Robertj21a said:
Edit....
I'm not a strong Brexiter or Remainer - I can see the arguments from both sides. My views have hardened towards Brexit over the last 18 months as it has become increasingly clear that the EU is not our friend.
It never was. We were a cash cow.
Looking truer by the day so I thought it was worth resurrecting this thread.I'm not a strong Brexiter or Remainer - I can see the arguments from both sides. My views have hardened towards Brexit over the last 18 months as it has become increasingly clear that the EU is not our friend.
It never was. We were a cash cow.
bob2146 said:
captain_cynic said:
sidicks said:
That makes no sense when you understand that they actually increased their share of the vote.
Erm... they lost seats and had to form a coalition with DUP? How is that increasing?The Tories effectively lost power, trying to argue otherwise is at best lying with statistics.
citizensm1th said:
The real dumbasses are the voters who do not understand how our parliamentary system works ,you can have all the individual votes you like as a party but if they are not in the right constituencies to win the marginal seats you won't be able to form a majority government. as happened to the tories last time out.
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