Brexit or Bregret? poll
Poll: Brexit or Bregret? poll
Total Members Polled: 1237
Discussion
I voted leave, thinking that we could return to being a democratic state, governed by people who are elected by us, the people, & not be some unelected mafia, based hundreds of miles away in Brussels.
However, given the total & utter shambles that our politicians have made of the Brexit process, I now think that we are possibly better off being run from Brussels, rather than the shower of bumbling s
t we have 'managing' our affairs.
Apparently the UK is considered the 'mother of democracy' - what a complete joke!
However, given the total & utter shambles that our politicians have made of the Brexit process, I now think that we are possibly better off being run from Brussels, rather than the shower of bumbling s
t we have 'managing' our affairs.Apparently the UK is considered the 'mother of democracy' - what a complete joke!
Integroo said:
Eh? Parliament absolutely has that authority.
No, it does not.Why do you THINK it has, we are governed "By consent", that has been argued BY parliament to exist by the people having the opportunity to exercise the franchise of "A FREE an MEANINGFUL vote", they dont get to ignore or overrule a result they dont like.
dasigty said:
No, it does not.
Why do you THINK it has, we are governed "By consent", that has been argued BY parliament to exist by the people having the opportunity to exercise the franchise of "A FREE an MEANINGFUL vote", they dont get to ignore or overrule a result they dont like.
I think the next few weeks will prove your statement wrong Why do you THINK it has, we are governed "By consent", that has been argued BY parliament to exist by the people having the opportunity to exercise the franchise of "A FREE an MEANINGFUL vote", they dont get to ignore or overrule a result they dont like.
citizensm1th said:
I think the next few weeks will prove your statement wrong
Correction, the next few weeks will prove if we are a free people or not, the politicians cannot be ALLOWED to overrule the people of this country or we are in a dictatorship.Edited by dasigty on Monday 1st April 18:18
dasigty said:
Correction, the next few weeks will prove if we are a free people or not, the politicians can not be ALLOWED to overrule the people of this country or we are in a dictatorship.
The caps lock is one of the more interesting aspects of your posts, but you should be aware of a couple of things; can not is actually one word and your sentence doesn't make sense. Are you trying to say that if the politicians overrule us we will effectively be living in a dictatorship? You may think I'm being pedantic, but I'm sick to the back teeth of leavers being called thick. Blue62 said:
The caps lock is one of the more interesting aspects of your posts, but you should be aware of a couple of things; can not is actually one word and your sentence doesn't make sense. Are you trying to say that if the politicians overrule us we will effectively be living in a dictatorship? You may think I'm being pedantic, but I'm sick to the back teeth of leavers being called thick.
There you go,typo corrected.Answer your own question, if a vote can be ignored by people put there to represent us because they dont like the result, what is it ?
dasigty said:
No, it does not.
Why do you THINK it has, we are governed "By consent", that has been argued BY parliament to exist by the people having the opportunity to exercise the franchise of "A FREE an MEANINGFUL vote", they dont get to ignore or overrule a result they dont like.
We have a representative democracy, not a delegative one. Parliament is sovereign, and can do what it likes. Why do you THINK it has, we are governed "By consent", that has been argued BY parliament to exist by the people having the opportunity to exercise the franchise of "A FREE an MEANINGFUL vote", they dont get to ignore or overrule a result they dont like.
dasigty said:
There you go,typo corrected.
Answer your own question, if a vote can be ignored by people put there to represent us because they dont like the result, what is it ?
It can be ignored because it is demonstrably bad for Britain, and Parliament is there to do what's best for Britain, not to be a mouthpiece of the people. Answer your own question, if a vote can be ignored by people put there to represent us because they dont like the result, what is it ?
dasigty said:
There you go,typo corrected.
Answer your own question, if a vote can be ignored by people put there to represent us because they dont like the result, what is it ?
My question was an attempt to clarify the point you were trying to make because it wasn't clear what you meant. I wasn't asking a question about democracy or dictatorship, I was simply responding to you in an attempt to head off these awful accusations about the intelligence levels of leavers. If you are suggesting that if we don't leave the EU we will effectively be living in a dictatorship then I have to disagree, parliament is sovereign and will be exercising its right. Answer your own question, if a vote can be ignored by people put there to represent us because they dont like the result, what is it ?
A dictatorship is something entirely different and whatever you think we are a long way from being in that scenario.
Blue62 said:
My question was an attempt to clarify the point you were trying to make because it wasn't clear what you meant. I wasn't asking a question about democracy or dictatorship, I was simply responding to you in an attempt to head off these awful accusations about the intelligence levels of leavers. If you are suggesting that if we don't leave the EU we will effectively be living in a dictatorship then I have to disagree, parliament is sovereign and will be exercising its right.
A dictatorship is something entirely different and whatever you think we are a long way from being in that scenario.
Parliament is not sovereign over the people, it never has been or ever can be, it was created by the people.A dictatorship is something entirely different and whatever you think we are a long way from being in that scenario.
We are governed by the consent of the people, you need to understand what that means.
dasigty said:
Parliament is not sovereign over the people, it never has been or ever can be, it was created by the people.
We are governed by the consent of the people, you need to understand what that means.
We are governed by parliament, perhaps you could explain. While you're at it maybe you could develop the dictatorship theory you're peddling. We are governed by the consent of the people, you need to understand what that means.
Integroo said:
It can be ignored because it is demonstrably bad for Britain, and Parliament is there to do what's best for Britain, not to be a mouthpiece of the people.
I should save these quotes when quite possibly we have a strong right wing party or at least a coalition in power in parliament. And you try and pop up saying they shouldn't be allowed to make decisions and have the power to do things. 
dasigty said:
Parliament is not sovereign over the people, it never has been or ever can be, it was created by the people.
We are governed by the consent of the people, you need to understand what that means.
Yes it is. Parliament absolutely is sovereign over the people. Do you understand what is meant be a representative democracy?We are governed by the consent of the people, you need to understand what that means.
.. 'don't cry, we are not a democracy' Blue62 said:
I like polls on PH, an absolute mirror of society and so comforting in times of stress to know that the majority are so brimful of common sense. Can we have a capital punishment one next please?
I started this one more than a year ago just to see if anyone had actually changed their mind as the media and PHers kept saying at the time. I wonder if it’s different now that we’ve seen what a shambles it’s become or has this cemented people’s views even more?
I’m not starting another brexit poll thread though.
El stovey said:
Blue62 said:
I like polls on PH, an absolute mirror of society and so comforting in times of stress to know that the majority are so brimful of common sense. Can we have a capital punishment one next please?
I started this one more than a year ago just to see if anyone had actually changed their mind as the media and PHers kept saying at the time. I wonder if it’s different now that we’ve seen what a shambles it’s become or has this cemented people’s views even more?
I’m not starting another brexit poll thread though.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Blue62 said:
We are governed by parliament, perhaps you could explain. While you're at it maybe you could develop the dictatorship theory you're peddling.
We are governed by consent, which bit of that are you having trouble understanding ?.When a parliament is dictating what the result of a vote should be according to them, it is no longer a theory.
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