Nigel Farage - pay docked for cheating on his Euro expenses

[anonymous-user]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Breadvan72 said:

The investigation took a year. Dangerous Elk is upset because the investigation was conducted by EU financial controllers and not by a court. Gosh, how unusual for an organisation to conduct its own internal investigations of expenses fiddles, just like pretty much every employer and organisation that pays people does. Definitely a conspiracy, eh? Farage has the right to challenge the decision in the Court if he wishes.

Yes he does, and Farage has already said the decision is unfair and unjust.

It is very strange that an upholder of the law does not recognise there is a dispute and calls for hanging him rather than council that others should wait for a legal judgment. Double standards from you in 1000Kg bags !

He has had a year of investigation and I haven't seen any evidence that the investigation was unfair. You appear to have no evidence that it was unfair, but as it appears that in your eyes Farage can do no wrong you assume that the investigation was unfair. He can appeal if he chooses.

[sidicks]

Breadvan72 said:

He has had a year of investigation and I haven't seen any evidence that the investigation was unfair. You appear to have no evidence that it was unfair, but as it appears that in your eyes Farage can do no wrong you assume that the investigation was unfair. He can appeal if he chooses.

What evidence have you seen?

[anonymous-user]

The same as you. Unlike you, perhaps, I don't assume that a year long investigation by professional financial controllers is a put up job. Life outside conspiracy theory land is less fun, but more predictable.

[sidicks]

Breadvan72 said:

The same as you. Unlike you, perhaps, I don't assume that a year long investigation by professional financial controllers is a put up job. Life outside conspiracy theory land is less fun, but more predictable.

So none then? You just implicitly trust the EU, which is fine. I have no evidence either way.

[dandarez]

Breadvan72 said:

What if it's "just those MEPs who are on the fiddle"? Endless whataboutism won't bury the story - Farage has been caught out in a shabby bit of dishonesty.

Bloody hell!
Farage is back at the top of a PH thread, who'd have thunk it?
Farage is history (said it many times in the last year). Job done.

Anyway, endless whataboutism won't bury the story you say.
Of course it won't...
not while Remoaners hover relentlessly over a car forum, even though more serious matters abound.

Nonetheless for fiddling, REAL dishonesty which ended in a court, I'll raise you the white-haired witch:
Christine Lagarde - and a tad more money involved like £355 MILLION!
Farage 'effort' (which is no more than a 'claim' by the EU parasites) pales into insignificance in comparison, bearing in mind she was boss of the IMF, and far, far worse, still is!

Always been corrupt politicos, just that some are really corrupt!

[anonymous-user]

sidicks said:

Breadvan72 said:

The same as you. Unlike you, perhaps, I don't assume that a year long investigation by professional financial controllers is a put up job. Life outside conspiracy theory land is less fun, but more predictable.

So none then? You just implicitly trust the EU, which is fine. I have no evidence either way.

There is a presumption of regularity in public life. Mistakes are made, but conspiracies are rare. Companies, local authorities, regulators, parliaments, all of these routinely conduct internal investigations. Those who suggest that the investigations are tainted by bias or other unfairness have to suggest grounds for so alleging. "It's the EU" is not a ground. It's just a statement of prejudice. Add in the point that Farage is a known liar, and the conclusion against him here looks plausible.


"What about X, Y or Z" is whataboutism. Farage is a corrupt and dishonest professional politician who makes a career of pretending not to be a politician and alleging corruption in others.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 13th January 16:43

[Eddie Strohacker]

Crackie said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Crackie said:

I was about to respond in a very similar vein regarding Eddie's repeated hypocrisy ( whilst possibly not being quite so brutal ). Farage is no hero of mine, far from it in fact but I've not missed Eddie's self righteous, virtue signalling, rants about leavers whilst he's been away. Eddie has a very dark heart on occasions.

Please do. Soz about your hurty feels & all, but like Sid before you, I invite you to offer a shred of proof that I believe all leavers are %Spits% Kippers.

Settle down Eddie.

You've made some incorrect assumptions in your post so I would like to point them out to you.

1 ) "Soz about your hurty feels & all" I presume that gibberish means you think my feelings have been hurt ?? If that is what you mean then, no, you are wrong. My feelings were just dismay at your hypocrisy.

2) I didn't say or even suggest that you "believe all leavers are %Spits% Kippers did I? That is just another fabrication / invention of yours. Incidentally it is quite a good example of your prejudice; it would help if you read what had actually been written.

since your original post links me to a kippy characterisation of leavers in general, I find your denial a bit thin. So, what hypocrisy exactly? I can barely be accused of not taking a consistent line with UKIP mentalists. And since I'm reluctantly here again, why do you & your pals seem so keen to bandy that word about like confetti? Or, as Gooner the genius would have it, Hippocrite

[Blue62]

Breadvan72 said:

The same as you. Unlike you, perhaps, I don't assume that a year long investigation by professional financial controllers is a put up job. Life outside conspiracy theory land is less fun, but more predictable.

Seriously BV, why do you bother with this? You'd have a more reasoned debate on a KKK forum. I've had the misfortune of actually meeting one or two of the more colourful posters in this part of PH and it was disturbing, if you realised what you're debating with you would scuttle back to the classic cars section pronto.

[sidicks]

Breadvan72 said:

There is a presumption of regularity in public life. Mistakes are made, but Conspiracies are rare. Companies, local authorities, regulators, parliaments, all of these routinely conduct internal investigations. Those who suggest that the investigations are tainted by bias or other unfairness have to suggest grounds for so alleging. "It's the EU" is not a ground.

My point is that you saying "I haven't seen any evidence that the investigation was unfair", is a somewhat meaningless statement. Likewise you "haven't seen any evidence that the investigation was fair" either. Neither have I.

What you really mean is "I trust the EU much more than I trust Farage", which is entirely logical, but quite different!

[anonymous-user]

Those such as Elk who suggest that this is a hatchet job ought to show some reasons for thinking that. All that they can do is posit conspiracies. The facts that there has been a year long investigation and that no concrete suggestions of unfairness have been published are not meaningless.

[PurpleMoonlight]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Yes he does, and Farage has already said the decision is unfair and unjust.

Of course he does. Not to do so would be an admission of guilt.

The question is whether or not he will do anything to clear his name. My guess is not.

[sidicks]

Breadvan72 said:

Those such as Elk who suggest that this is a hatchet job ought to show some reasons for thinking that. All that they can do is posit conspiracies. The facts that there has been a year long investigation and that no concrete suggestions of unfairness have been published are not meaningless.

Neither did i say that.

[powerstroke]

Remember lawyers argue and use the law for the side for whichever side they find themselves on it's nothing to do with right or wrong ....

[citizensm1th]

sidicks said:

Breadvan72 said:

There is a presumption of regularity in public life. Mistakes are made, but Conspiracies are rare. Companies, local authorities, regulators, parliaments, all of these routinely conduct internal investigations. Those who suggest that the investigations are tainted by bias or other unfairness have to suggest grounds for so alleging. "It's the EU" is not a ground.

My point is that you saying "I haven't seen any evidence that the investigation was unfair." is a somewhat meaningless statement.

Likewise you " haven't seen any evidence that the investigation was fair" either. Neither have I.

What you really mean is "I trust the EU much more than I trust Farage", which is entirely logical, but quite different!

And the award for back pedaling pedantry 2018 goes to........

[citizensm1th]

Blue62 said:

Seriously BV, why do you bother with this? You'd have a more reasoned debate on a KKK forum. I've had the misfortune of actually meeting one or two of the more colourful posters in this part of PH and it was disturbing, if you realised what you're debating with you would scuttle back to the classic cars section pronto.

Oh do tell me you have met sidicks, i would love to meet sidicks.

[sidicks]

citizensm1th said:

Oh do tell me you have met sidicks, i would love to meet sidicks.

You won't have the chance.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Breadvan72 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

Breadvan72 said:

The investigation took a year. Dangerous Elk is upset because the investigation was conducted by EU financial controllers and not by a court. Gosh, how unusual for an organisation to conduct its own internal investigations of expenses fiddles, just like pretty much every employer and organisation that pays people does. Definitely a conspiracy, eh? Farage has the right to challenge the decision in the Court if he wishes.

Yes he does, and Farage has already said the decision is unfair and unjust.

It is very strange that an upholder of the law does not recognise there is a dispute and calls for hanging him rather than council that others should wait for a legal judgment. Double standards from you in 1000Kg bags !

He has had a year of investigation and I haven't seen any evidence that the investigation was unfair. You appear to have no evidence that it was unfair, but as it appears that in your eyes Farage can do no wrong you assume that the investigation was unfair. He can appeal if he chooses.

Another rather strange comment by our leagal advisor. Please show me where I have said ANY of the above ? .....Come on....Show Me please.

The only information that is available is what you have read in the press on the announcement from a possibly biased organisation/committee (and certainly not an independent one), this as you know is NOT evidence is it

It remains to be seen if his rejection of the Eu action is taken to court to establish the clarity of judgment required to hang the man.

I refer you to the Eu "system" as noted above by another poster, pathetic and enlightening in its failure of accountability and control of taxpayers money.

Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Saturday 13th January 16:57

[citizensm1th]

sidicks said:

citizensm1th said:

Oh do tell me you have met sidicks, i would love to meet sidicks.

You won't have the chance.

Never say never ,Karma is a fickle bh

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

Blue62 said:

Seriously BV, why do you bother with this? You'd have a more reasoned debate on a KKK forum. I've had the misfortune of actually meeting one or two of the more colourful posters in this part of PH and it was disturbing, if you realised what you're debating with you would scuttle back to the classic cars section pronto.

Oh do tell me you have met sidicks, i would love to meet sidicks.

You are right of course. There is a strange fascination in obtaining glimpses into the tiny minded, fear and hate filled world views of the ignorant right wingers who inhabit this place. It's a weird guilty pleasure, but a waste of time of course, and I am sure that most of them are just as vile in real life as their opinions here indicate them to be. In a way, I sort of feel sorry for them, as their worlds are so narrow, and they are prey to every passing charlatan who sets out to frighten them. But not very sorry.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 13th January 16:59

[Randy Winkman]

Breadvan72 said:

sidicks said:

Breadvan72 said:

The same as you. Unlike you, perhaps, I don't assume that a year long investigation by professional financial controllers is a put up job. Life outside conspiracy theory land is less fun, but more predictable.

So none then? You just implicitly trust the EU, which is fine. I have no evidence either way.

There is a presumption of regularity in public life. Mistakes are made, but conspiracies are rare. Companies, local authorities, regulators, parliaments, all of these routinely conduct internal investigations. Those who suggest that the investigations are tainted by bias or other unfairness have to suggest grounds for so alleging. "It's the EU" is not a ground. It's just a statement of prejudice. Add in the point that Farage is a known liar, and the conclusion against him here looks plausible.


"What about X, Y or Z" is whataboutism. Farage is a corrupt and dishonest professional politician who makes a career of pretending not to be a politician and alleging corruption in others.

Edited by Breadvan72 on Saturday 13th January 16:43

This sums it up for me.