Nigel Farage - pay docked for cheating on his Euro expenses

[jjlynn27]

Jockman said:

If racism was a major driving force in the leave vote, how would people suggest this be countered in any second referendum?

I don't think it was racism, I do think that significant factor was xenophobia. I have no idea who to counter decades of conditioning.

[don'tbesilly]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

If racism was a major driving force in the leave vote, how would people suggest this be countered in any second referendum?

I don't think it was racism, I do think that significant factor was xenophobia. I have no idea who to counter decades of conditioning.

Thanks for your opinion, but other opinions that contradict your own are equally valid but don't need to be expressed.

I know you know this, but it won't stop you telling me that you do.

[Jockman]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

If racism was a major driving force in the leave vote, how would people suggest this be countered in any second referendum?

I don't think it was racism, I do think that significant factor was xenophobia. I have no idea who to counter decades of conditioning.

Neither do I. Would a second referendum simply yield the same result then?

[TooMany2cvs]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

If racism was a major driving force in the leave vote, how would people suggest this be countered in any second referendum?

I don't think it was racism, I do think that significant factor was xenophobia. I have no idea who to counter decades of conditioning.

Preventing the official campaign (and the media) from pandering massively to it would be a good start...

[jjlynn27]

Jockman said:

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

If racism was a major driving force in the leave vote, how would people suggest this be countered in any second referendum?

I don't think it was racism, I do think that significant factor was xenophobia. I have no idea who to counter decades of conditioning.

Neither do I. Would a second referendum simply yield the same result then?

I honestly don't know. I do think that more 'young' voters would vote given the influence their vote had on GE. I doubt that many people changed their minds, if anything, from what I've seen people are becoming more entrenched and looking for confirmation of their biases.

correction; bold 'who' was meant to read 'how'. Engrish, once again, fails . I should eat less (!) and buy this

[gooner1]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

If racism was a major driving force in the leave vote, how would people suggest this be countered in any second referendum?

I don't think it was racism, I do think that significant factor was xenophobia. I have no idea who to counter decades of conditioning.

Neither do I. Would a second referendum simply yield the same result then?

I honestly don't know. I do think that more 'young' voters would vote given the influence their vote had on GE. I doubt that many people changed their minds, if anything, from what I've seen people are becoming more entrenched and looking for confirmation of their biases.

correction; bold 'who' was meant to read 'how'. Engrish, once again, fails . I should eat less (!) and buy this

You do realise "how" means "why " to Jockman, don't you.

[Dindoit]

Jockman said:

If racism was a major driving force in the leave vote, how would people suggest this be countered in any second referendum?

Fair question

Clearly not all leave voters were racist (although all racists were leave voters). The ones that were won’t change but the ones who now realised they were fooled (£350m bus) might swing.

fwiw I don’t want a 2nd ref

[sidicks]

Dindoit said:

Fair question
Clearly not all leave voters were racist (although all racists were leave voters).

Still nonsense.

Dindoit said:

The ones that were won’t change but the ones who now realised they were fooled (£350m bus) might swing.

fwiw I don’t want a 2nd ref

Of course the ones fooled by Project Fear might swing the other way!

[mx5nut]

sidicks said:

Of course the ones fooled by Project Fear might swing the other way!

Absolutely. Somebody terrified that Turkey was about to join the EU, for example, would likely vote Remain now they've realised that it was nonsense.

[olimain]

mx5nut said:

Absolutely. Somebody terrified that Turkey was about to join the EU, for example, would likely vote Remain now they've realised that it was nonsense.

Likewise somebody who believed we would be deep in recession now so played it safe and voted Remain may now vote Leave, not to mention that the British are generally a pretty moral, democratic lot and I'd think there would be a number who would vote Leave out of principal that a one off vote was promised, even if they still believe it's not necessarily the best course of action.

Edited by olimain on Wednesday 17th January 11:26

[captain_cynic]

jjlynn27 said:

I don't think it was racism, I do think that significant factor was xenophobia. I have no idea who to counter decades of conditioning.

I'm not sure how "prejudice and dislike against anyone foreign" is somehow better than "prejudice and dislike anyone not your own race".

By definition, the former includes the definition of the latter unless you live in a country with equal racial distribution (I know of no such country with approx 20% of each of the human racial categories).

[chow pan toon]

captain_cynic said:

jjlynn27 said:

I don't think it was racism, I do think that significant factor was xenophobia. I have no idea who to counter decades of conditioning.

I'm not sure how "prejudice and dislike against anyone foreign" is somehow better than "prejudice and dislike anyone not your own race".

By definition, the former includes the definition of the latter unless you live in a country with equal racial distribution (I know of no such country with approx 20% of each of the human racial categories).

Oh God, don't start that one, you'll set sidicks off again

[PurpleMoonlight]

Is this thread not now about St Farage?

[mx5nut]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Is this thread not now about St Farage?

Distract, derail. It's his supporters' playbook.

[gooner1]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

If racism was a major driving force in the leave vote, how would people suggest this be countered in any second referendum?

I don't think it was racism, I do think that significant factor was xenophobia. I have no idea who to counter decades of conditioning.

Do, did,, the Finns suffer from xenophobia, and if so how did, are, they dealing
with it?
Not a case of whataboutism,just that your post appears to imply that you
don't suffer from it, yet you have no idea how to counter it.

[London424]

mx5nut said:

sidicks said:

Of course the ones fooled by Project Fear might swing the other way!

Absolutely. Somebody terrified that Turkey was about to join the EU, for example, would likely vote Remain now they've realised that it was nonsense.

Not to mention all the idiots that thought we'd have an emergency budget massively increasing taxes, be in a recession, have a housing price crash, a stock market crash, hundreds of thousands of job losses.

I'm sure there weren't any of those.

[The Dangerous Elk]

mx5nut said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Is this thread not now about St Farage?

Just another attack post by MX5

[chow pan toon]

The Dangerous Elk said:

mx5nut said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Is this thread not now about St Farage?

Just another attack post by MX5

TDE crying about attack posts. Brilliant.

[The Dangerous Elk]

chow pan toon said:

TDE crying about attack posts. Brilliant.

really, you surpport MX5's posting record, good for you for getting in bed with PH's very own full-time Sparkie

[alfie2244]

The Dangerous Elk said:

chow pan toon said:

TDE crying about attack posts. Brilliant.

really, you support MX5's posting record, good for you for getting in bed with PH's very own full-time, not very bright, Sparkie

FTFY