Momentum finally takes control of Labour
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LoonyTunes said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Countdown said:
If Blair was in charge right now he'd walk it.
What saddens me (even as a core vote Tory) is that the Lib Dems seem utterly incapable of capitalising on what should be an open goal for them at the moment. They may not get enough seats for an outright win but it's possible that they could be the biggest single party.
It's a bit of a slam-dunk to me.
Can't believe they won't see that opportunity at the next general election.
SpeckledJim said:
LoonyTunes said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Countdown said:
If Blair was in charge right now he'd walk it.
What saddens me (even as a core vote Tory) is that the Lib Dems seem utterly incapable of capitalising on what should be an open goal for them at the moment. They may not get enough seats for an outright win but it's possible that they could be the biggest single party.
It's a bit of a slam-dunk to me.
Can't believe they won't see that opportunity at the next general election.
Yet they still poll around the same level as UKIP.
LoonyTunes said:
They could get more MP's than they've had in the last 100 years if they stood on a platform of promising a 2nd EU Referendum. Neither the Tories or Labour will do that. They also believe in staying in the EU so couldn't be accused of being hypocritical.
They stood at the last election as the only party opposed to Brexit, fat lot of good it did them then. The poor sods even got Cable back to not lead them anywhere at all.captain_cynic said:
anonymous said:
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Also consider that most polls have a conservative bias, neck and neck does not look good for the Conservatives.LoonyTunes said:
Jonesy23 said:
captain_cynic said:
The Tories are in disarray and have become ruled by a few extremists. Given the choice between Extremist A and Extremist B, they're going to pick the one that isn't already in power.
The Tories have lost their rank and file, the middle class voter by attempting to draw voters from UKIP. The Tories need to take a solid lurch back towards the centre to gain them back.
U wot m8?The Tories have lost their rank and file, the middle class voter by attempting to draw voters from UKIP. The Tories need to take a solid lurch back towards the centre to gain them back.
The biggest problem the Conservatives currently have is that they're firmly camped in the centre, having basically morphed into a version of New Labour.
Actual conservative policies and politicians have been pushed to the back. The leadership is all woolly liberals.
If they need to move anywhere it isn't to the centre.
Starfighter said:
International anti-sematism rules now adopted in full.
But with a caveat attached. BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45414656
A Labour statement said: "The NEC has today adopted all of the IHRA (the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance) examples of anti-Semitism, in addition to the IHRA definition which Labour adopted in 2016, alongside a statement which ensures this will not in any way undermine freedom of expression on Israel or the rights of Palestinians. [....]"
This is wishful thinking on your part. All the polling in the run up to the GE had Labour ahead, so did the exit poll. All were wrong, shy tory is a bigger factor than your inherent bias.
No one is going to mix the two parties up, its clear - vote for Corbyn is to vote for a Jew hating extremist, who wants to re nationalise industries, give power to the unions, squeeze the middle until the pips squeak, borrow, tax and bring in terrible identity politics to every public institution. A man whose Black Shirt thugs hound a decent man like Frank Field for having the temerity to defy the Labour whip on three occasions under Corbyn. Corbyn who himself on 483 occasions voted with the Conservatives against Labour Policy....
I can't see any of the Blair/Cameron middle accidentally voting for Corbyn. If you ever fancied a crack at being an independent, this could be YOUR election !
Could not have put it better myself ;0),
If only everyone had the sense to ignore any "Professional politician" from all parties and give their vote to an independent who shares at least some of their views the normal two party state would get a real and much needed kick up the arse, the lot of them stopped representing the voters a long time ago.
No one is going to mix the two parties up, its clear - vote for Corbyn is to vote for a Jew hating extremist, who wants to re nationalise industries, give power to the unions, squeeze the middle until the pips squeak, borrow, tax and bring in terrible identity politics to every public institution. A man whose Black Shirt thugs hound a decent man like Frank Field for having the temerity to defy the Labour whip on three occasions under Corbyn. Corbyn who himself on 483 occasions voted with the Conservatives against Labour Policy....
I can't see any of the Blair/Cameron middle accidentally voting for Corbyn. If you ever fancied a crack at being an independent, this could be YOUR election !
Could not have put it better myself ;0),
If only everyone had the sense to ignore any "Professional politician" from all parties and give their vote to an independent who shares at least some of their views the normal two party state would get a real and much needed kick up the arse, the lot of them stopped representing the voters a long time ago.
dasigty said:
Could not have put it better myself ;0),
If only everyone had the sense to ignore any "Professional politician" from all parties and give their vote to an independent who shares at least some of their views the normal two party state would get a real and much needed kick up the arse, the lot of them stopped representing the voters a long time ago.
and.....5.4.3.2.1......... TrumpIf only everyone had the sense to ignore any "Professional politician" from all parties and give their vote to an independent who shares at least some of their views the normal two party state would get a real and much needed kick up the arse, the lot of them stopped representing the voters a long time ago.
LoonyTunes said:
NRS said:
What are they right wing on, compared to say Labour under Blair? Brexit is cross-parties, and is basically far right and far left supporting it, so that isn't one to me.
Taxation for a start.Hereward said:
Taxation? Under the Tories I have lost my entire annual personal allowance, child benefit and pension incentives.
The personal allowance withdrawal was actually Labour in 2009, but Tories could have rolled it back.UK marginal tax rates are 65% and 60% for the above (3 kids). They go any higher and people will just work less.
swamp said:
The personal allowance withdrawal was actually Labour in 2009, but Tories could have rolled it back.
UK marginal tax rates are 65% and 60% for the above (3 kids). They go any higher and people will just work less.
as a 100% blue blood, I have to accept the tax take is high atm, so it should be. We are all still in Pay-Back mode thanks to labour.UK marginal tax rates are 65% and 60% for the above (3 kids). They go any higher and people will just work less.
otolith said:
I think there are a lot of voters who simply want a government which will maintain the economic status quo without actually going out of their way to s
t on the poor.
Do you mean the status quo of the naughties when the government was spending money like it’s was someone else’s?t on the poor. When you say “s
tting on the poor” I assume you mean stop borrowing money to pay people, I am not sure that qualifies as stting on.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff