Migration & Immigration

[anonymous-user]

W124 said:

No, I don’t. Data is pointless in this medium. This is, as you well know, because there is a huge array of data available to support any point of view - especially on something as nebulous as immigration.

Instead of yer’ classic NP&E nonsense, why not just see if you can understand and either agree with, or disagree with, my point.

I say immigration is caused by the need for cheap labour, caused by shareholders taking out larger sums in dividends than they did 20 or 30 years ago, allowing much less reinvestment in those companies, in turn necessitating a cut in operating costs which manifests itself, in this arena, as a need to bring wages down. Or, at the very least, make sure they remain static. Ergo - a real

What say you? If this not the reason why successive gouvernments have allowed so many immigrants in, over such a long period and in spite a massive public disquiet, then what IS the reason?

Except the data I’ve given you regarding dividends completely undermines your argument. Is that why you’ve ignored it?

[Whatsmyname]

Finlandia said:

So 2012, in 2016 alone there were 52 handgrenade attacks in Sweden.

Jesus, I had no ikea.

[sidicks]

W124 said:

No, I don’t. Data is pointless in this medium. This is, as you well know, because there is a huge array of data available to support any point of view - especially on something as nebulous as immigration.

You are making claims about dividends!

I’m pretty sure that the return to capital is pretty much unchanged over the years.

W124 said:

Instead of yer’ classic NP&E nonsense, why not just see if you can understand and either agree with, or disagree with, my point.

You’ve made a claim with no evidence to support it. On what basis have you made that claim?

[W124]

sidicks said:

W124 said:

No, I don’t. Data is pointless in this medium. This is, as you well know, because there is a huge array of data available to support any point of view - especially on something as nebulous as immigration.

You are making claims about dividends!

I’m pretty sure that the return to capital is pretty much unchanged over the years.

W124 said:

Instead of yer’ classic NP&E nonsense, why not just see if you can understand and either agree with, or disagree with, my point.

You’ve made a claim with no evidence to support it. On what basis have you made that claim?

Are you sure about return to capital being roughly the same?

Have you any data to bank that up?

You see the utter, mind numbing pointlessness of this?

Just run with it. If the need for cheap labour is not the driver of immigration, then what is?

[Boosted LS1]

^ They want our quality of life and national health service benefits?

[sidicks]

W124 said:

Are you sure about return to capital being roughly the same?

Have you any data to bank that up?

Perhaps, but at the end of the day, you made the claim - I presume you don’t have data to support your claim?

W124 said:

You see the utter, mind numbing pointlessness of this?

Just run with it. If the need for cheap labour is not the driver of immigration, then what is?

Who said it wasn’t? Regardless, this is entirely independent of your claim about dividends.

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 17th January 22:32

[Zod]

Funkycoldribena said:

I can.

Oh noes!

[Zod]

Funkycoldribena said:

How about the people who want them,house them? Say five years?
Let's see how many come forward.

Are you a net contributor?

[markcoznottz]

Zod said:

Funkycoldribena said:

How about the people who want them,house them? Say five years?
Let's see how many come forward.

Are you a net contributor?

That's not an argument. Looking at your car list you probably are. That doesn't mean your opinion counts any more than his. Using imported labour into jobs with low barriers of entry, i.e. What used to be years ago unskilled work, i.e. Factory, taxi work, etc, it's all agency or imported labour. See sports direct. Completely taken over catering ,hospitality , cleaning, motor trade etc. But it boosts GDP. Political class not bothered, revolving door employment in media/BBC/Whitehall etc. Not many Syrians there eh?

[andymc]

W124 said:

sidicks said:

W124 said:

What will happen there is that I will find some data. You will find some data - both of us will say our data is right. Round and round we will go. It is the NP&E way.

So you have no data to support your claim? Ok, pretty standard for NP&E.

No, I don’t. Data is pointless in this medium. This is, as you well know, because there is a huge array of data available to support any point of view - especially on something as nebulous as immigration.

Instead of yer’ classic NP&E nonsense, why not just see if you can understand and either agree with, or disagree with, my point.

I say immigration is caused by the need for cheap labour, caused by shareholders taking out larger sums in dividends than they did 20 or 30 years ago, allowing much less reinvestment in those companies, in turn necessitating a cut in operating costs which manifests itself, in this arena, as a need to bring wages down. Or, at the very least, make sure they remain static. Ergo - a really colossal demand for cheap labour, that must henceforth get ever cheaper.

What say you? If this not the reason why successive gouvernments have allowed so many immigrants in, over such a long period and in spite a massive public disquiet, then what IS the reason?

Edited by W124 on Wednesday 17th January 22:11

votes Shirley

[TooMany2cvs]

Whatsmyname said:

Finlandia said:

So 2012, in 2016 alone there were 52 handgrenade attacks in Sweden.

Jesus, I had no ikea.

<applause>

[W124]

sidicks said:

W124 said:

Are you sure about return to capital being roughly the same?

Have you any data to bank that up?

Perhaps, but at the end of the day, you made the claim - I presume you don’t have data to support your claim?

W124 said:

You see the utter, mind numbing pointlessness of this?

Just run with it. If the need for cheap labour is not the driver of immigration, then what is?

Who said it wasn’t? Regardless, this is entirely independent of your claim about dividends.

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 17th January 22:32

Snap out of it.

[Randy Winkman]

Roman Rhodes said:

sidicks said:

W124 said:

What will happen there is that I will find some data. You will find some data - both of us will say our data is right. Round and round we will go. It is the NP&E way.

So you have no data to support your claim? Ok, pretty standard for NP&E.

Twice in the same day I’m agreeing with sidicks!

The World’s gone mad...

When my 82 year old father says that I remind him that he grew up during the second world war.

[Finlandia]

Boosted LS1 said:

Finlandia said:

Oakey said:

Dale Cregan?

So 2012, in 2016 alone there were 52 handgrenade attacks in Sweden.

Who's doing it? Is it gang related and where are the grenades coming from?

Gang related, grenades coming in from the Balkans mainly. Handgrenades are not classed as weapons by the Swedish law, and so cannot be confiscated when they come in.

You really couldn't make it up.

[sidicks]

W124 said:

Snap out of it.

Stop making stuff up!

[Boosted LS1]

Finlandia said:

Boosted LS1 said:

Finlandia said:

Oakey said:

Dale Cregan?

So 2012, in 2016 alone there were 52 handgrenade attacks in Sweden.

Who's doing it? Is it gang related and where are the grenades coming from?

Gang related, grenades coming in from the Balkans mainly. Handgrenades are not classed as weapons by the Swedish law, and so cannot be confiscated when they come in.

You really couldn't make it up.

And here it is. Isn't it surprising how we never get told this stuff on the news,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_atta...

[TooMany2cvs]

Boosted LS1 said:

Finlandia said:

Boosted LS1 said:

Finlandia said:

So 2012, in 2016 alone there were 52 handgrenade attacks in Sweden.

Who's doing it? Is it gang related and where are the grenades coming from?

Gang related, grenades coming in from the Balkans mainly. Handgrenades are not classed as weapons by the Swedish law, and so cannot be confiscated when they come in.

You really couldn't make it up.

And here it is. Isn't it surprising how we never get told this stuff on the news,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_atta...

Are we making assumptions about the perpetrators and motives?

[98elise]

W124 said:

98elise said:

W124 said:

For fk’s sake.

Let’s stop fannying about. Why do we need a constant flow of cheap labour?

It’s because of the colossal increase in dividends taken by shareholders from company profits in relation to the amount reinvested.

The only way of keeping shareholder profits where they are is by decreasing costs. This is done in many ways - not least amongst them reducing labour costs.

Hence mass immigration.

It’s very, very simple.

We do not have mass immigration out of the goodness of our hearts. It’s not because we are bleeding hearts, or kind, or soft. It is the EXACT opposite. The way our economy is configured demands it.

For the love of all that’s holy - think it through!

Jesus! - the level of plain stupidity on this forum sometimes staggers me. It just does my head in.

Bunch of fking idiots.

Edited because you lot are a bunch of dimwits and I’m so pissed off with the lot of you, that my spelling has gone to st.

Idiots.

Edited by W124 on Wednesday 17th January 19:58

Can you point me to some colossal increases in shareholder dividends? Obviously that will need to be an industry that used to pay good wages but now pays minimum wage.

What will happen there is that I will find some data. You will find some data - both of us will say our data is right. Round and round we will go. It is the NP&E way.

As an aside. I make no value judgement about the desirability of the situation I describe. I’ve done quite well out of dividends over the years. I’m just not too much of a pussy to deny my culpability when it comes to immigration.

Immigration is entirely the result of a need for cheap labour. Ask yourself why, when it is political Suicide to keep the numbers flowing, no gouvernment is overly concerned with making a real dent in the amount of people entering the country?

It’s as plain as your nose.

Dividend payments are published and available on every major finace website so there will be no disputing your evidence.

[anonymous-user]

W124 said:

sidicks said:

W124 said:

No, I don’t. Data is pointless in this medium. This is, as you well know, because there is a huge array of data available to support any point of view - especially on something as nebulous as immigration.

You are making claims about dividends!

I’m pretty sure that the return to capital is pretty much unchanged over the years.

W124 said:

Instead of yer’ classic NP&E nonsense, why not just see if you can understand and either agree with, or disagree with, my point.

You’ve made a claim with no evidence to support it. On what basis have you made that claim?

Are you sure about return to capital being roughly the same?

Have you any data to bank that up?

You see the utter, mind numbing pointlessness of this?

Just run with it. If the need for cheap labour is not the driver of immigration, then what is?

http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/news/132966/top-20...

So you come running in with great big clown's shoes on but can't answer a simple question regarding your claim?

70% of FTSE company revenues come from outside the UK. Go through the list, explain which of the companies have benefitted from cheap immigrant labour in the UK and by how much.

If you don't/can't I'll assume you're on your way back to the Big Top.

[Finlandia]

TooMany2cvs said:

Boosted LS1 said:

Finlandia said:

Boosted LS1 said:

Finlandia said:

So 2012, in 2016 alone there were 52 handgrenade attacks in Sweden.

Who's doing it? Is it gang related and where are the grenades coming from?

Gang related, grenades coming in from the Balkans mainly. Handgrenades are not classed as weapons by the Swedish law, and so cannot be confiscated when they come in.

You really couldn't make it up.

And here it is. Isn't it surprising how we never get told this stuff on the news,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_atta...

Are we making assumptions about the perpetrators and motives?

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/somaliska-modrar-vadjar-det-har-maste-stoppas

Sex unga män har dödats i den pågående konflikten mellan två gäng i Rinkeby. Fem av dem har somaliska rötter, och nu oroar sig somaliska mammor för att deras söner ska vara nästa offer i gänguppgörelsen.

Google translate:
Six young men have been killed in the ongoing conflict between two gangs in Rinkeby. Five of them have Somali roots, and now Somali mothers worry that their sons will be the next victim of the gang violence.