Migration & Immigration

[Zod]

Tom Logan said:

Zod said:

my post calling bigkeeko what he is got deleted for breaching posting rules.

boo fking hoo.

You can always go on to you beloved 'Soovy Watch' thread on Chew the Fat and have another rant with all the other idiots about all the 'racist s' on PH, eh?

Haven't noticed you before. Interesting to see how you describe yourself here.

[del mar]

Voldemort said:

del mar said:

We should only bring in people who we need and will make a financial contribution to the country.

'bring in'

You think we advertise somewhere? "Immigrants wanted: must be useful"

Bring in / allow - use of words.

We should only allow / accept immigrants.

[amusingduck]

jjlynn27 said:

amusingduck said:

jjlynn27 said:

amusingduck said:

??

What's the relevance in 'first safe' country?

If you're fleeing war? The relevance is that you are no longer in danger of being blown up, usually.

Really? If I was fleeing war, I'd be looking to get away from such horrors that made it necessary for me to uproot my life. I wouldn't just go across the first border, would you?

Er, yes?

I feel like we've got radically different interpretations of "fleeing war".

To me, if you're "fleeing war", you're lucky to escape in one piece. Your sole consideration is survival. You've got time to worry about whether you'll ever see your family and friends again, not so much time to play Top Trumps - First World Country edition.

[del mar]

Boydie88 said:

mx5nut said:

Hopefully you and your family will be able to make a financial contribution if you ever need to seek refuge somewhere.

"I will, it'll never happen to me!" says man sat in comfort behind computer screen.

Confusing refuge and economic migration, again.

Not sure what the difference is in regard to being a benefit to our country.

Refugee / economic migrant if neither offer us anything why do we want them ?

[del mar]

Zod said:

markcoznottz said:

Zod said:

Funkycoldribena said:

How about the people who want them,house them? Say five years?
Let's see how many come forward.

Are you a net contributor?

That's not an argument. Looking at your car list you probably are. That doesn't mean your opinion counts any more than his. Using imported labour into jobs with low barriers of entry, i.e. What used to be years ago unskilled work, i.e. Factory, taxi work, etc, it's all agency or imported labour. See sports direct. Completely taken over catering ,hospitality , cleaning, motor trade etc. But it boosts GDP. Political class not bothered, revolving door employment in media/BBC/Whitehall etc. Not many Syrians there eh?

It is an argument. People who are not net contributors complaining about immigrants taking resources are hypocrites. The work done by immigrants could be done by people born here, but too may refuse.

I would say it is probably the other way around, lots of those who want to bring in immigrants are non contributors, students for one - yes they will become contributors in due course. Those that do contribute are more likely to want to reduce / stop immigrants as our taxes pay for everything.

If we have thousands/millions of UK nationals not contributing, why do we want to bring in more ?

[Tom Logan]

sidicks said:

Bigkeeko was being a racist idiot - the moderating on this sub-forum is often laughable when something like that can be accepted whilst the (emotional) responses are removed.

Bigkeeko has a right to voice his opinion no matter how disagreeable it may be to other posters.

[rscott]

Tom Logan said:

sidicks said:

Bigkeeko was being a racist idiot - the moderating on this sub-forum is often laughable when something like that can be accepted whilst the (emotional) responses are removed.

Bigkeeko has a right to voice his opinion no matter how disagreeable it may be to other posters.

And Haymarket have a right to enforce their posting rules.

[mx5nut]

del mar said:

Not sure what the difference is in regard to being a benefit to our country.

Refugee / economic migrant if neither offer us anything why do we want them ?

The "me me me" generation personified, ladies and gentlemen.

[TooMany2cvs]

Tom Logan said:

sidicks said:

Bigkeeko was being a racist idiot - the moderating on this sub-forum is often laughable when something like that can be accepted whilst the (emotional) responses are removed.

Bigkeeko has a right to voice his opinion no matter how disagreeable it may be to other posters.

Bigkeeko did not have the right to illegally incite racial hatred in direct breach of the posting rules. Which is why I very much doubt we'll be seeing him back - at least, not under that posting ID.

[sidicks]

Tom Logan said:

Bigkeeko has a right to voice his opinion no matter how disagreeable it may be to other posters.

Yes, maybe, but the same right should apply to those would would choose to identify him as a racist tt!

[jjlynn27]

Finlandia said:

mx5nut said:

Do Swedish nationals not commit crimes?

Most of the handgrenade loving gang members are Swedish born, Swedish nationals, second or more generation immigrants.

From information from people that I know there, it's mostly ex-balkans fighting with biker-gangs for territory.

[jjlynn27]

Hayek said:

Who's going to pay for the state support in places where the local government hasn't got lots of productive tax payers to take the money from?

Like Croydon or Luton?

[The Don of Croy]

Voldemort said:

Can we have a serious discussion about this?...

Should people be forced to remain where they are born? Or should people be free to live where ever they want to?

A serious discussion may invoke serious passions, with unintended consequences.

As for your other questions, if everyone was born into a progressive liberal democracy with a healthy economy then they'd probably want to stay (unless the weather was better elsewhere), and why should anyone be allowed to settle wherever they want?

What you have missed/avoided/cleverly side-stepped is the question of scale - is mass immigration a real issue and will it get worse? Or should we accept that the World has changed, and we need adapt to the new reality. And why did nobody ask us first? (Because they knew the answer).

[Zod]

sidicks said:

Tom Logan said:

Bigkeeko has a right to voice his opinion no matter how disagreeable it may be to other posters.

Yes, maybe, but the same right should apply to those would would choose to identify him as a racist tt!

Tom seems to think it's OK to post racist drivel, but no t OK to call those who so scum. Odd thinking, unless Tom agrees with bigkeeko but is not confident enough to post the same sort of crap.

[Funkycoldribena]

So even though they've been offered accommodation in France and turned it down,we should let them in?
Am I right?

[Funkycoldribena]

Zod said:

Tom seems to think it's OK to post racist drivel, but no t OK to call those who so scum. Odd thinking, unless Tom agrees with bigkeeko but is not confident enough to post the same sort of crap.

How can he?

[Zod]

Funkycoldribena said:

So even though they've been offered accommodation in France and turned it down,we should let them in?
Am I right?

I don't think anybody has suggested anything of the sort.

[alfie2244]

mx5nut said:

Hopefully you and your family will be able to make a financial contribution if you ever need to seek refuge somewhere.

"I will, it'll never happen to me!" says man sat in comfort behind computer screen.

If there is ever a reason someone in the UK needs to seek refuge in another country then to be honest we are all fooked anyway....but do please continue to make you childish comments via your computer screen.

[JagLover]

alfie2244 said:

mx5nut said:

Hopefully you and your family will be able to make a financial contribution if you ever need to seek refuge somewhere.

"I will, it'll never happen to me!" says man sat in comfort behind computer screen.

If there is ever a reason someone in the UK needs to seek refuge in another country then to be honest we are all fooked anyway....but do please continue to make you childish comments via your computer screen.

The only conceivable reason why we would need too is if those like MX5 get their way and we bring in the kinds of people who created organizations like ISIS.

[Terminator X]

"That so many people want to come and live here should be a matter of national pride, not cause for racism and hatred"

It isn't that other than for a small minded tiny element of the population. The majority imho just want control of borders to (a) avoid nutters coming in and (b) slow down entry in order that the country is not "over run" and unable to support the influx eg check out the strain on hospitals, how busy the rush hour roads are etc.

I couldn't give a flying fk where people are coming from, we just need to be able to turn the tap on and off to suit the best needs of the UK.

TX.