Migration & Immigration
Discussion
The Don of Croy said:
What you have missed/avoided/cleverly side-stepped is the question of scale - is mass immigration a real issue and will it get worse? Or should we accept that the World has changed, and we need adapt to the new reality. And why did nobody ask us first? (Because they knew the answer).
We are asked every 5 years. Anti immigration parties have always remained at the fringe of British politics because it's just not a big deal for most of us (despite the best efforts of the media!)Terminator X said:
"That so many people want to come and live here should be a matter of national pride, not cause for racism and hatred"
It isn't that other than for a small minded tiny element of the population. The majority imho just want control of borders to (a) avoid nutters coming in and (b) slow down entry in order that the country is not "over run" and unable to support the influx eg check out the strain on hospitals, how busy the rush hour roads are etc.
I couldn't give a flying f
k where people are coming from, we just need to be able to turn the tap on and off to suit the best needs of the UK.
TX.
Something we've always been able to do, of course. But that doesn't sell papers like getting the usual suspects scared of their own shadows It isn't that other than for a small minded tiny element of the population. The majority imho just want control of borders to (a) avoid nutters coming in and (b) slow down entry in order that the country is not "over run" and unable to support the influx eg check out the strain on hospitals, how busy the rush hour roads are etc.
I couldn't give a flying f
k where people are coming from, we just need to be able to turn the tap on and off to suit the best needs of the UK.TX.
mx5nut said:
Terminator X said:
"That so many people want to come and live here should be a matter of national pride, not cause for racism and hatred"
It isn't that other than for a small minded tiny element of the population. The majority imho just want control of borders to (a) avoid nutters coming in and (b) slow down entry in order that the country is not "over run" and unable to support the influx eg check out the strain on hospitals, how busy the rush hour roads are etc.
I couldn't give a flying fk where people are coming from, we just need to be able to turn the tap on and off to suit the best needs of the UK.
TX.
Something we've always been able to do, of course. But that doesn't sell papers like getting the usual suspects scared of their own shadows It isn't that other than for a small minded tiny element of the population. The majority imho just want control of borders to (a) avoid nutters coming in and (b) slow down entry in order that the country is not "over run" and unable to support the influx eg check out the strain on hospitals, how busy the rush hour roads are etc.
I couldn't give a flying f
k where people are coming from, we just need to be able to turn the tap on and off to suit the best needs of the UK.TX.
mx5nut said:
The Don of Croy said:
What you have missed/avoided/cleverly side-stepped is the question of scale - is mass immigration a real issue and will it get worse? Or should we accept that the World has changed, and we need adapt to the new reality. And why did nobody ask us first? (Because they knew the answer).
We are asked every 5 years. Anti immigration parties have always remained at the fringe of British politics because it's just not a big deal for most of us (despite the best efforts of the media!)So instead i'll disprove your claim for you (your claim being 'it's just not a big deal for most of us').
Immigration is one of the ‘most important issues’ facing the British public
Immigration consistently ranks among the top five issues in recent history. As of August 2016, it was the issue picked most often by respondents (34%). The other top five issues that respondents picked that month were the EU/Europe (31%), the National Health Service (31%), the economy (30%), housing (22%), and defence/international terrorism (19%). Figure 1 tracks the percentage of respondents naming race relations or immigration as one of the most important issues facing Britain, relative to the other five most frequently named issues as of August 2016. These other issues are presented as six-month moving averages to make the chart easier to visually interpret.
Immigration is unpopular, with approximately three quarters of the British public favouring reduced levels
Existing evidence clearly shows high levels of opposition to immigration in the UK. In recent surveys, majorities of respondents think that there are too many migrants, that fewer migrants should be let in to the country, and that legal restrictions on immigration should be tighter.
Figure 2 shows that a large majority in the 2013 British Social Attitudes survey endorsed reducing immigration. Over 56% chose ‘reduced a lot’, while 77% chose either ‘reduced a lot’ or ‘reduced a little’. The same question yielded similar results on the British Social Attitudes survey in 2008, adding confidence that these are reliable estimates."
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources...
Boosted LS1 said:
We have had rubbish border control for eons
Uh-huh. Lemme guess - Europe's fault?Boosted LS1 said:
IIrc labour had an open door policy.
You don't.Boosted LS1 said:
No doubt to get their share of the vote up.
Roughly what proportion of recent migrants to the UK do you think get to vote?Clue: https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Thursday 18th January 14:14
Boosted LS1 said:
mx5nut said:
Terminator X said:
"That so many people want to come and live here should be a matter of national pride, not cause for racism and hatred"
It isn't that other than for a small minded tiny element of the population. The majority imho just want control of borders to (a) avoid nutters coming in and (b) slow down entry in order that the country is not "over run" and unable to support the influx eg check out the strain on hospitals, how busy the rush hour roads are etc.
I couldn't give a flying fk where people are coming from, we just need to be able to turn the tap on and off to suit the best needs of the UK.
TX.
Something we've always been able to do, of course. But that doesn't sell papers like getting the usual suspects scared of their own shadows It isn't that other than for a small minded tiny element of the population. The majority imho just want control of borders to (a) avoid nutters coming in and (b) slow down entry in order that the country is not "over run" and unable to support the influx eg check out the strain on hospitals, how busy the rush hour roads are etc.
I couldn't give a flying f
k where people are coming from, we just need to be able to turn the tap on and off to suit the best needs of the UK.TX.
It wasn't.
So we didn't.
TooMany2cvs said:
Boosted LS1 said:
We have had rubbish border control for eons
Uh-huh. Lemme guess - Europe's fault?Boosted LS1 said:
IIrc labour had an open door policy.
You don't.Boosted LS1 said:
No doubt to get their share of the vote up.
Roughly what proportion of recent migrants to the UK do you think get to vote?Actually, some on here would probably believe it!
Blairs policy on immigration was far from a secret.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigratio...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigratio...
Edited by don'tbesilly on Thursday 18th January 15:12
mx5nut said:
Boosted LS1 said:
mx5nut said:
Terminator X said:
"That so many people want to come and live here should be a matter of national pride, not cause for racism and hatred"
It isn't that other than for a small minded tiny element of the population. The majority imho just want control of borders to (a) avoid nutters coming in and (b) slow down entry in order that the country is not "over run" and unable to support the influx eg check out the strain on hospitals, how busy the rush hour roads are etc.
I couldn't give a flying fk where people are coming from, we just need to be able to turn the tap on and off to suit the best needs of the UK.
TX.
Something we've always been able to do, of course. But that doesn't sell papers like getting the usual suspects scared of their own shadows It isn't that other than for a small minded tiny element of the population. The majority imho just want control of borders to (a) avoid nutters coming in and (b) slow down entry in order that the country is not "over run" and unable to support the influx eg check out the strain on hospitals, how busy the rush hour roads are etc.
I couldn't give a flying f
k where people are coming from, we just need to be able to turn the tap on and off to suit the best needs of the UK.TX.
It wasn't.
So we didn't.
TX.
Funkycoldribena said:
Zod said:
What's preventing him if he wants to? Surely the prospect of a ban wouldn't deter him from posting something so important?
OK...If I wasn't so cynical, I'd say you were trying to get people with views you don't like banned..
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