Migration & Immigration

[wc98]

TooMany2cvs said:

bigkeeko said:

I'm scum and a disgrace but I work and have something to offer the system unlike 90% plus of rapefugees. If anyone hasn't caught on it is a obvious attempt to get the boot from this liberal, apologist mangina of a forum. So Mods, get on it.

Oh, I'm sure they will "get on it"...

<waves goodbye>

i might not like or agree with what big keeko is saying, but i support his right to say it. shutting down view points of people we disagree with is not a good idea, imo of course.

[cayman-black]

My thoughts, i have seen all these migrants that have been saved helped off the coast of Italy brought on to the mainland. Now every night on the news is the trouble these saved people are causing, drug selling, violence, rape, robbery you name it , its them. Not to mention that they are taking over towns as they out number the locals in some small hamlets. Rome. Milan, Turin they are on every street corner intimidating normal honest get on with there life people.
So i can understand how some on here have these strong views.

[98elise]

mx5nut said:

del mar said:

Resolutionary said:

bigkeeko said:

I'm scum and a disgrace but I work and have something to offer the system unlike 90% plus of rapefugees. If anyone hasn't caught on it is a obvious attempt to get the boot from this liberal, apologist mangina of a forum. So Mods, get on it.

You're a bit of a stain aren't you? I've met my fair share of refugees and would certainly welcome another hundred if they provide a barrier between me and the sort of rhetoric you insist on spouting.

Perhaps you would like to pay more in tax to cover the costs of these hundred refugees ?

Absolutely happy to contribute a little more to help those in need.

The "me me me" generation, unsurprisingly, are against that kind of thing.

Can you put a figure on how much more you are prepared to contribute, and should there be any limit on immigration?

[rscott]

del mar said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Maybe benefit for us but what about them?
No one seems to care about the countries we're draining from.

I care, I care deeply that is why I would stop all immigration from the third world.....

How do you define the "third world" ?

[Boosted LS1]

sidicks said:

del mar said:

Bigkeeko may have been a little "rough and ready" with his terminology, but he isn't wrong.

Third world migration brings no benefits to the UK at all.
Financially they are a drain
Culturally some of their old ways cause us problems
Socially they add nothing.

No, as well as being offensive, he is still wrong, as are you.

There are definitely benefits from some migration and without question some people add value to this country, financial or otherwise.

I agree with Delmar. This country hasn't the resources to take in thousands from the 1st World let alone the dregs from the 3rd world. I'm ok with taking in refugee families short term and then sending them back. The biggest mistake was in taking in the unattached young males who really have helped to increase crime figures all across Europe. Utube is awash with violence being carried out by immigrants.

[curlie467]

scenario8 said:

Can we have a serious discussion? Evidently not all of us.

Thread closure in 5,4,3,2...

(I hope not but predict it will if bigkeeko and others can’t phrase their sentiments more delicately)

What do you want?, a smiley to soften things up or a lol at the end so people don't get upset.

[Boosted LS1]

cayman-black said:

My thoughts, i have seen all these migrants that have been saved helped off the coast of Italy brought on to the mainland. Now every night on the news is the trouble these saved people are causing, drug selling, violence, rape, robbery you name it , its them. Not to mention that they are taking over towns as they out number the locals in some small hamlets. Rome. Milan, Turin they are on every street corner intimidating normal honest get on with there life people.
So i can understand how some on here have these strong views.

These strong views have been stifled for ages, people were and are still being called 'racist'. The warnings were made a long time ago but were ignored. Do Germans feel happy with Merkel? I doubt it very much.

[Biker 1]

Boosted LS1 said:

The biggest mistake was in taking in the unattached young males who really have helped to increase crime figures all across Europe. Utube is awash with violence being carried out by immigrants.

Mrs Merkel certainly dropped a massive clanger on this one. Who are all these young men supposed to marry & have offspring with? As mentioned by others, the integration of refugees, & indeed other migrants, is at the core of the problem.

[RacerMDR]

The country is a business, whether we like it or not. It's currently failing if you look at the NHS, standing of living in some areas, unemployment, schooling, police force etc etc

The fact is failing slightly less than some other countries isn't really the point.

I own a business, and if I was losing money every year, and the people working in it were not able to achieve the standards I expect, I certainly wouldn't give money away to other businesses, and/or hire more people that don't materially, and immediately increase the profit margins of my business.

I would work out where I was losing money and stop it, then spend the money I was making on improving my business.

I definitely wouldn't hire a demographic that are known to increase problems as a mass.

I find it really that simple.

And yes I am selfish, as we have a very short time upon this earth. I want the people close to me to have the 'charity' and benefits.

[Boosted LS1]

^ Many also bring with them their stone age beliefs and negative attitudes towards women. People like this shouldn't have been allowed in without a proper vetting process.

[TooMany2cvs]

Boosted LS1 said:

^ Many also bring with them their stone age beliefs and negative attitudes towards women. People like this shouldn't have been allowed in without a proper vetting process.

Yet so many of those who shout loudest have similar attitudes towards gender equality...

[Boosted LS1]

^ But they're already here so we have to put up with them. They don't seem to be guilty of violent crime on any great scale unlike the wave of immigrants that have recently arrived in Europe.

[anonymous-user]

sidicks said:

mx5nut said:

Absolutely happy to contribute a little more to help those in need.

The "me me me" generation, unsurprisingly, are against that kind of thing.

Aren’t the younger generations generally consider to be the “me me me” generation? If not, who exactly are you referring to?

I think the younger generation have always been portrayed that way to some extent by the generation before - perhaps based on the greater availability of material items for “me” to want. However, I often seem to find that those born during or just post-war (at the beginning of the welfare state as we know it) have the highest expectation of being provided for. There is an attitude of taking anything that is free and that ‘they’ should provide for you. By contrast the Thatcher and post-Thatcher kids often seem to have a more ruthless ‘fight your own way to the top’ attitude. Whether they are happy to be taxed more to help developing nations is another matter - some will, some won’t.
Generalisations of course...

[RacerMDR]

was it Copenhagen or Stockholm that had that horrendous sexual assault thing by gangs a couple of years ago?

[mikeyr]

bigkeeko said:

Here. Here's the fking difference between a person from Sydney and vermin from the 3rd world that have fk all to offer anyone or anything.

Vermin? Humans you mean?

[Shay HTFC]

Genuinely, if the people who are genuinely in support of open migration are happy to stump up the extra cash (the people in that boat are not going to be able to support themselves here when it comes to property, food etc without aid) then go for it.

But the reality I think is that the people who are most vocally in support of the idea either a) already have an immigrant background, so can sympathize with them, or b) are middle class nice-guys who would be a bit surprised if their affluent suburb suddenly became home to a tent city full of immigrants!

[Funkycoldribena]

del mar said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Maybe benefit for us but what about them?
No one seems to care about the countries we're draining from.

I care, I care deeply that is why I would stop all immigration from the third world.....

I wasn't implying you didn't, just that the lalala brigade don't think beyond the xenophobe tag.
Maybe its university indoctrination.

[Boosted LS1]

^ Some of them are very sub human and I wouldn't want them raping my daughter or beating up my Gran.

[Biker 1]

RacerMDR said:

was it Copenhagen or Stockholm that had that horrendous sexual assault thing by gangs a couple of years ago?

Cologne: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/col...

[sidicks]

Shay HTFC said:

Genuinely, if the people who are genuinely in support of open migration are happy to stump up the extra cash (the people in that boat are not going to be able to support themselves here when it comes to property, food etc without aid) then go for it.

But the reality I think is that the people who are most vocally in support of the idea either a) already have an immigrant background, so can sympathize with them, or b) are middle class nice-guys who would be a bit surprised if their affluent suburb suddenly became home to a tent city full of immigrants!

You mean the people who are subsidising everyone else already?