Migration & Immigration
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Careful on the wording....RacerMDR said:
was it Copenhagen or Stockholm that had that horrendous sexual assault thing by gangs a couple of years ago?
If you Google 'Swedish rapes' it'll show up lots. I've got friends in Sweden who say things are quite bad but they can't get rid of the government or the migrants.
Boosted LS1 said:
RacerMDR said:
was it Copenhagen or Stockholm that had that horrendous sexual assault thing by gangs a couple of years ago?
If you Google 'Swedish rapes' it'll show up lots. I've got friends in Sweden who say things are quite bad but they can't get rid of the government or the migrants.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMfzb1qX0ZA
Boosted LS1 said:
Oi, who you calling an old boy :-) that's ageist.
I just happen to feel youthful today.....Anyway, 'sub-human' is a term rather frowned upon, particularly in the context of race: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch
Biker 1 said:
RacerMDR said:
was it Copenhagen or Stockholm that had that horrendous sexual assault thing by gangs a couple of years ago?
Cologne: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/col...However, extremely misleading headline there - doesn't even match the detail of the story. Completely made up stories like the Frankfurt attacks ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/fra... also don't exactly help any sensible discussions.
^^ That maybe so according to Wicki but you ask anybody on the street if a rapist or mugger is considered to be a normal human and you'll get a different answer.
I'll try to fit in with forum rules but my life isn't about to be governed by Wicki. No offence to you intended.
I'll try to fit in with forum rules but my life isn't about to be governed by Wicki. No offence to you intended.
Edited by Boosted LS1 on Wednesday 17th January 15:45
The only sub-humans are those whose aim in life is to cause harm to others.
As for sorting wheat from chaff in immigration, it's close enough to impossible as to not be worth bothering with. The Borders Agency is barely capable of carrying out it's present, narrow remit.
You could say income and or wealth is a factor worth monitoring, but there are plenty of wealthy foreign national in the UK who contribute little other than to inflate asset (hosing mostly) prices, and in many regards contribute as little as those arriving with nothing, no intention of learning English and integrating. There's no hard or fast way of checking how successful in immigrant is going to be in terms of both their own experience and their interface and contribution to wider society. Present stipulations for (legal) immigrants seem fair enough.
As for sorting wheat from chaff in immigration, it's close enough to impossible as to not be worth bothering with. The Borders Agency is barely capable of carrying out it's present, narrow remit.
You could say income and or wealth is a factor worth monitoring, but there are plenty of wealthy foreign national in the UK who contribute little other than to inflate asset (hosing mostly) prices, and in many regards contribute as little as those arriving with nothing, no intention of learning English and integrating. There's no hard or fast way of checking how successful in immigrant is going to be in terms of both their own experience and their interface and contribution to wider society. Present stipulations for (legal) immigrants seem fair enough.
Boosted LS1 said:
RacerMDR said:
was it Copenhagen or Stockholm that had that horrendous sexual assault thing by gangs a couple of years ago?
If you Google 'Swedish rapes' it'll show up lots. That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events.
In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record.
And they have, in fact, dropped since numbers of refugees have arrived
Boosted LS1 said:
I've got friends in Sweden who say things are quite bad but they can't get rid of the government
Suggests the average Swede on the street doesn't share the views of your friends. Will of the people etc.mx5nut said:
Rape stats are counted differently in Sweden than other countries, which makes the stats look worse comparatively. This has been picked up on by the usual suspects trying to terrify everybody of the foreign bogeyman.
[i]That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events.
In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record.[/i]
And they have, in fact, dropped since numbers of refugees have arrived
I’ve no idea if the above is accurate, but I wish you’d do much of this - seemingly informative, on topic posting - rather than regurgitating nonsense sound bites and ignorant generalisations and misrepresentations.[i]That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events.
In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record.[/i]
And they have, in fact, dropped since numbers of refugees have arrived
TooMany2cvs said:
It's good to see that conflation between asylum and economic migration is as rife as ever.
Shades of grey though isn't it? A lot of the 'economic' migrants are coming from places that, if we're honest, few of us would feel safe going on holiday. Sure, there are official asylum cases too, but then there is also the real and sensible consideration of pure, raw numbers, in terms of our population growth and sustainability.mx5nut said:
Boosted LS1 said:
RacerMDR said:
was it Copenhagen or Stockholm that had that horrendous sexual assault thing by gangs a couple of years ago?
If you Google 'Swedish rapes' it'll show up lots. That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events.
In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record.
And they have, in fact, dropped since numbers of refugees have arrived
Boosted LS1 said:
I've got friends in Sweden who say things are quite bad but they can't get rid of the government
Suggests the average Swede on the street doesn't share the views of your friends. Will of the people etc.Preliminary figures for 2016 show a rise, bringing the latest figures close to 2014 values".
Boosted LS1 said:
^^ That maybe so according to Wicki but you ask anybody on the street if a rapist or mugger is considered to be a normal human and you'll get a different answer.
I'll try to fit in with forum rules but my life isn't about to be governed by Wicki. No offence to you intended.
None taken - I'm not Jewish anyway I'll try to fit in with forum rules but my life isn't about to be governed by Wicki. No offence to you intended.
Edited by Boosted LS1 on Wednesday 17th January 15:45
I wouldn't normally post a Wickipedia link, as I'm dubious about accuracy....
Back to topic: its a bizarre situation we've got ourselves into. Bomb the s
t out of Afghanistan & Iraq, wonder why they've turned into stholes that the natives want to escape, & then send them back.The quagmire that is Syria has led to countless refugees ending up in Germany. What is our government doing about it? Supplying all sorts of 'rebel' groups with weapons, thus prolonging the conflict, which is essentially a proxy war.
Digga said:
TooMany2cvs said:
It's good to see that conflation between asylum and economic migration is as rife as ever.
Shades of grey though isn't it? A lot of the 'economic' migrants are coming from places that, if we're honest, few of us would feel safe going on holiday.What visas are they coming in on?
voyds9 said:
How many exclusively fall in to just one of these categories.
Umm, all of them.A non-EU national resident in the UK either has either been granted asylum, has been given a long-term residential visa of one flavour or another, or is here illegally.
voyds9 said:
Many fear regime in their own country but travel through a lot of Europe to find the 'best' deal
Now that's another question entirely - and one that would be easily resolved with a single pan-European asylum system. As it stands, the (global) asylum rules say that anybody seeking asylum must apply in the first safe country they reach - but that's simply unworkable, for obvious reasons.Edited by TooMany2cvs on Wednesday 17th January 16:11
my post calling bigkeeko what he is got deleted for breaching posting rules. Western countries need to work to help resolve the problems of the countries from which the refugees stem. Until their own countries are reasonably safe and offer at least some hope of a future, it's absurd to expect people to stay there.
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