So much cobblers talked about Brexit.

[Hosenbugler]

DapperDanMan said:

Ali G said:

mx5nut said:

Breadvan72 said:

Copies of the 1975 leaflets are available online. Google is bipartisan and allows shouty leavers to use it. Don't be frightened!

Facts are Brexiteer Kryptonite.

Don't let democracy smack you on the way out.

Democracy voted Hitler in - twice. So lets not confuse democracy with making the right choice.

Democracy is not perfect ,Erdogan shows that, but making politicians accountable to those they hold sway over, is vastly superior to them not being so, as history shows. Ergo, if they displease, throw the bds out.

[chrispmartha]

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

Here are the pamphlets produced for the 1975 referendum.

Much bks spouted,or not spouted, especially concerning sovreingty

http://civitas.org.uk/eu-facts/the-1975-referendum...

This abouts hits the nail when it comes to deceitful lies.

“Remember: All the other countries in the Market enjoy, like us, democratically elected governments answerable to their own parliaments and their own voters. They do not want to weaken their Parliaments any more than we would.”

What about this from the No campaign.

"it sets out by stages to merge Britain with France, Germany, Italy and other countries into a single nation"

Project Fear?

In that case project fact. The NO camp were the best informed , it always has been about the treaty of Rome after all. It just was not trumpeted as such. I specifically recall the referendum, as it was the first time I was old enough to vote. The only pamphlet I saw was the government one. I voted to join the "Common Market" as trade was the overbearing message, scant mention of the real implications.

Project Fact? Is the UK, France, Germany etc one nation now then?

Not yet, but thats the aim. A unified Europe under one government. Treaty of Rome, but you already knew that. If the EU survives, thats what will happen , without the UK now though, thankfully.

Is it their aim, when have they said this?

So in 1975 when the said it would lead to the UK being one nation with the rest of Europe was that that a fact because 43 years later it hasn’t happened

[gooner1]

DapperDanMan said:

Ali G said:

mx5nut said:

Breadvan72 said:

Copies of the 1975 leaflets are available online. Google is bipartisan and allows shouty leavers to use it. Don't be frightened!

Facts are Brexiteer Kryptonite.

Don't let democracy smack you on the way out.

Democracy voted Hitler in - twice. So lets not confuse democracy with making the right choice.

Democracy did not vote Hitler in once , yet alone twice.
Democracy does not even have a vote.

[mx5nut]

chrispmartha said:

Is it their aim, when have they said this?

So in 1975 when the said it would lead to the UK being one nation with the rest of Europe was that that a fact because 43 years later it hasn’t happened

The bad things in the EU have always been just about to happen for the last 40 years, according to the doom and gloom merchants.

[wc98]

Breadvan72 said:

History is recorded. The documents are there, including the clear leaflets sent to all households on 1975. The facts do not fit your prejudices and support leaver mythology, but they won't change to suit you.

like this one ? http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm

doh, must read entire thread before posting.

[Hosenbugler]

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

Here are the pamphlets produced for the 1975 referendum.

Much bks spouted,or not spouted, especially concerning sovreingty

http://civitas.org.uk/eu-facts/the-1975-referendum...

This abouts hits the nail when it comes to deceitful lies.

“Remember: All the other countries in the Market enjoy, like us, democratically elected governments answerable to their own parliaments and their own voters. They do not want to weaken their Parliaments any more than we would.”

FCO30/1048

Pretty much shows how we were deceived.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/882881/Bre...

Fact is, we already have sinle govenrment EU wise, EU regulations trump national parliaments, their grip (EU) will only get tighter, because they can. The Eu is a politicians wet dream, power without accountability. You already know that though. Tea time for me.


What about this from the No campaign.

"it sets out by stages to merge Britain with France, Germany, Italy and other countries into a single nation"

Project Fear?

In that case project fact. The NO camp were the best informed , it always has been about the treaty of Rome after all. It just was not trumpeted as such. I specifically recall the referendum, as it was the first time I was old enough to vote. The only pamphlet I saw was the government one. I voted to join the "Common Market" as trade was the overbearing message, scant mention of the real implications.

Project Fact? Is the UK, France, Germany etc one nation now then?

Not yet, but thats the aim. A unified Europe under one government. Treaty of Rome, but you already knew that. If the EU survives, thats what will happen , without the UK now though, thankfully.

Is it their aim, when have they said this?

So in 1975 when the said it would lead to the UK being one nation with the rest of Europe was that that a fact because 43 years later it hasn’t happened

[Hosenbugler]

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

Here are the pamphlets produced for the 1975 referendum.

Much bks spouted,or not spouted, especially concerning sovreingty

http://civitas.org.uk/eu-facts/the-1975-referendum...

This abouts hits the nail when it comes to deceitful lies.

“Remember: All the other countries in the Market enjoy, like us, democratically elected governments answerable to their own parliaments and their own voters. They do not want to weaken their Parliaments any more than we would.”

FCO30/1048

Pretty much shows how we were deceived.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/882881/Bre...

Fact is, we already have sinle govenrment EU wise, EU regulations trump national parliaments, their grip (EU) will only get tighter, because they can. The Eu is a politicians wet dream, power without accountability. You already know that though. Tea time for me.


What about this from the No campaign.

"it sets out by stages to merge Britain with France, Germany, Italy and other countries into a single nation"

Project Fear?

In that case project fact. The NO camp were the best informed , it always has been about the treaty of Rome after all. It just was not trumpeted as such. I specifically recall the referendum, as it was the first time I was old enough to vote. The only pamphlet I saw was the government one. I voted to join the "Common Market" as trade was the overbearing message, scant mention of the real implications.

Project Fact? Is the UK, France, Germany etc one nation now then?

Not yet, but thats the aim. A unified Europe under one government. Treaty of Rome, but you already knew that. If the EU survives, thats what will happen , without the UK now though, thankfully.

Is it their aim, when have they said this?

So in 1975 when the said it would lead to the UK being one nation with the rest of Europe was that that a fact because 43 years later it hasn’t happened

FCO30/1048

Pretty much shows how we were deceived.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/882881/Bre...

Fact is, we already have sinle govenrment EU wise, EU regulations trump national parliaments, their grip (EU) will only get tighter, because they can. The Eu is a politicians wet dream, power without accountability. You already know that though. Tea time for me.

[Ali G]

DapperDanMan said:

Democracy voted Hitler in - twice. So lets not confuse democracy with making the right choice.

Staggered really - DippyDoppyFella - that 'making the right choice' should be determined by you, and you alone.

Let's all go totalitarian!

Or not.

[chrispmartha]

Hosenbugler said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

Here are the pamphlets produced for the 1975 referendum.

Much bks spouted,or not spouted, especially concerning sovreingty

http://civitas.org.uk/eu-facts/the-1975-referendum...

This abouts hits the nail when it comes to deceitful lies.

“Remember: All the other countries in the Market enjoy, like us, democratically elected governments answerable to their own parliaments and their own voters. They do not want to weaken their Parliaments any more than we would.”

FCO30/1048

Pretty much shows how we were deceived.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/882881/Bre...

Fact is, we already have sinle govenrment EU wise, EU regulations trump national parliaments, their grip (EU) will only get tighter, because they can. The Eu is a politicians wet dream, power without accountability. You already know that though. Tea time for me.


What about this from the No campaign.

"it sets out by stages to merge Britain with France, Germany, Italy and other countries into a single nation"

Project Fear?

In that case project fact. The NO camp were the best informed , it always has been about the treaty of Rome after all. It just was not trumpeted as such. I specifically recall the referendum, as it was the first time I was old enough to vote. The only pamphlet I saw was the government one. I voted to join the "Common Market" as trade was the overbearing message, scant mention of the real implications.

Project Fact? Is the UK, France, Germany etc one nation now then?

Not yet, but thats the aim. A unified Europe under one government. Treaty of Rome, but you already knew that. If the EU survives, thats what will happen , without the UK now though, thankfully.

Is it their aim, when have they said this?

So in 1975 when the said it would lead to the UK being one nation with the rest of Europe was that that a fact because 43 years later it hasn’t happened

FCO30/1048

Pretty much shows how we were deceived.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/882881/Bre...

Fact is, we already have sinle govenrment EU wise, EU regulations trump national parliaments, their grip (EU) will only get tighter, because they can. The Eu is a politicians wet dream, power without accountability. You already know that though. Tea time for me.

Fact is, the claim on the ‘No’ leaflet hasn’t happened, i.e it was cobblers.

[gooner1]

chrispmartha said:

Fact is, the claim on the ‘No’ leaflet hasn’t happened, i.e it was cobblers.

Neither has the "emergency budget" we were informed we'd need.
amongst other things.

Edited by gooner1 on Tuesday 23 January 17:14

[anonymous-user]

Funkycoldribena said:

mx5nut said:

I'll never understand this total obsession with damaging our own country because some can't stand the idea of working more closely for mutual benefit with people who happen to have been born a few hundred miles away.

But you have no idea if its going to "damage the country", we haven't left yet.
Pure speculation and you know it.
If we end up in mud huts,I'm fully willing to put my hands up and admit I was wrong

Putting your hands up and saying you were wrong is fine, but it won't fix anything if we are indeed poorer as a result.

By that point we won't be able to do much about it. If we asked to rejoin the EU we would inevitably end up with a much worse deal than the one we had, which was very good in many respects. We didn't have to have the Euro and suchlike.

As a Remainer I would absolutely love to be proved wrong. It would be a huge relief. I cannot stress that enough.

[jjlynn27]

gooner1 said:

Neither has the "emergeny budget" we were informed we'd need.
amongst other things.

Wasn't the bloke responsible for 'emergeny' (sic) budget summarily dismissed? Look what happened to the savings after the referendum.

[gooner1]

jjlynn27 said:

Wasn't the bloke responsible for 'emergeny' (sic) budget summarily dismissed? Look what happened to the savings after the referendum.

He was indeed, do you think that was the reason the " emergency budget" wasn't deployed?

Also would you agree that the term "emergency budget" indicates that
it would need to be brought into being asap?
How does that sit with the fact that Osborne was still Chacellor a month after the vote, or that Hammond, a staunch Remainer, didn't see the need to to implement it, after taking Osborne's
place as Chancellor?

Edited by gooner1 on Tuesday 23 January 17:45

Edited by gooner1 on Tuesday 23 January 17:49

[Ali G]

I suppose that the EU commission could have had clean audit report - if there had not been so much dosh snuffled.

Brussels this week - Strasbourg next?

Eh?

Let's cut costs - no says EU - snout in trough and gargling cash.

UK PM asks for a negotiation - fk off says EU.

At least democracy has some form of influence

[Funkycoldribena]

Lord Marylebone said:

As a Remainer I would absolutely love to be proved wrong. It would be a huge relief. I cannot stress that enough.

Does it worry you that much?
I find that so alien.
Maybe that's a major difference between leavers and remainers? I don't particularly worry about much,not only that,and I mean this not in a big headed way,I can see through bullst a mile off.
I know its a different scenario but Norway were threatened with all this remain guff and none of it came true,none of what was threatened here has come true and knowing that I'm opposite to Heseltine and Clarke who raved to join the euro confirms my stance to leave.

[jjlynn27]

gooner1 said:

He was indeed, do you think that was the reason the " emergency budget" wasn't deployed?

Also would you agree that the term "emergency budget" indicates that
it would need to be brought into being asap?
How does that sit with the fact that Osborne was still Chacellor a month after the vote, or that Hammond, a staunch Remainer, didn't see the need to to implement it, after taking Osborne's
place as Chancellor?

Is it important that Hammond was a remainer?

That's misrepresenting things somewhat. It's not that Hammond didn't see the need for an emergency budget, but, for obvious political reasons, decided to prioritize spending instead of trying to balance the books.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37536943

[Eddie Strohacker]

A decent measure of the cobblers talked about Brexit would be page after page of whiny winning leavists decrying the deception foisted on them in 1975 (sure it was) and therefore would never have joined if only they'd known what they were getting into and yet ditching the whole thing in 2019 with absolutely no clue whatsoever in a million years what they're dragging themselves & the non reckless half of the population into, but that's all cool & stuff.

The sheer brass neck of that line is breathtaking.

[mx5nut]

Funkycoldribena said:

Lord Marylebone said:

As a Remainer I would absolutely love to be proved wrong. It would be a huge relief. I cannot stress that enough.

Does it worry you that much?
I find that so alien.
Maybe that's a major difference between leavers and remainers? I don't particularly worry about much

So carefree, you're on every Brexit thread attacking those who mention anything you see as a threat to it

[mx5nut]

Eddie Strohacker said:

A decent measure of the cobblers talked about Brexit would be page after page of whiny winning leavists decrying the deception foisted on them in 1975 (sure it was) and therefore would never have joined if only they'd known what they were getting into and yet ditching the whole thing in 2019 with absolutely no clue whatsoever in a million years what they're dragging themselves & the non reckless half of the population into, but that's all cool & stuff.

The sheer brass neck of that line is breathtaking.

They've spent the years since then talking the country down and moaning about the decision instead of accepting the democratic will of the people and getting behind the EU.

[chrispmartha]

Funkycoldribena said:

Lord Marylebone said:

As a Remainer I would absolutely love to be proved wrong. It would be a huge relief. I cannot stress that enough.

Does it worry you that much?
I find that so alien.
Maybe that's a major difference between leavers and remainers? I don't particularly worry about much,not only that,and I mean this not in a big headed way,I can see through bullst a mile off.
I know its a different scenario but Norway were threatened with all this remain guff and none of it came true,none of what was threatened here has come true and knowing that I'm opposite to Heseltine and Clarke who raved to join the euro confirms my stance to leave.

Do you run a small business? Have staff wages to ‘worry’ about paying every month?

Norway also has to pay into the EU, would you be happy with that?

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 23 January 18:47