Jordan Peterson vs Cathy Newman
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An interesting point of view here. Not exclusively about Peterson, but does provide an interesting analysis of the Peterson/Newman interview (it's in two separate places in the clip).
Jordan Greenhall: 'A Glitch in the Matrix' - Jordan Peterson/Channel 4: Deep Code Assessment - YouTube
Jordan Greenhall: 'A Glitch in the Matrix' - Jordan Peterson/Channel 4: Deep Code Assessment - YouTube
chrispmartha said:
Dindoit said:
“We don’t know what the rules are”Whos we? And a simple rule is don’t sexually abuse women in the workplace, even if they do dare to wear lipstick
Peterson is just questioning and exploring the reasons and options, and just because someone does this doesn't mean they believe them reasons and options are correct and represent how things should be done.
Its called having an intellectual adult discussion looking at the all the options and facts and at the end of that discussion if some uncomfortable truths and facts are discovered. All the simplistic statements like "And a simple rule is" wont overturn them.
Funk said:
This was very thought-provoking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NEvuQWR3oo
Yes.Goaty Bill 2 said:
An interesting point of view here. Not exclusively about Peterson, but does provide an interesting analysis of the Peterson/Newman interview (it's in two separate places in the clip).
Jordan Greenhall: 'A Glitch in the Matrix' - Jordan Peterson/Channel 4: Deep Code Assessment - YouTube
His comparison of Newman to a 'state machine' Jordan Greenhall: 'A Glitch in the Matrix' - Jordan Peterson/Channel 4: Deep Code Assessment - YouTube
was a particularly interesting analogy I thought.He [Greenhall] doesn't come across as being particularly conservative, just a very clear analytical thinker.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Funk said:
This was very thought-provoking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NEvuQWR3oo
Yes.Goaty Bill 2 said:
An interesting point of view here. Not exclusively about Peterson, but does provide an interesting analysis of the Peterson/Newman interview (it's in two separate places in the clip).
Jordan Greenhall: 'A Glitch in the Matrix' - Jordan Peterson/Channel 4: Deep Code Assessment - YouTube
His comparison of Newman to a 'state machine' Jordan Greenhall: 'A Glitch in the Matrix' - Jordan Peterson/Channel 4: Deep Code Assessment - YouTube
was a particularly interesting analogy I thought.He [Greenhall] doesn't come across as being particularly conservative, just a very clear analytical thinker.
Great minds...
anonymous said:
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It should be unacceptable where men are concerned if we've learnt anything over time.You shouldn't have to resort to physical violence to discuss points of view.
The big problem we have is that everything seems to have to be distilled into pure black and pure white sides of a debate (be it gender pay, race equality, Brexit, whatever). The whole blue church, red church thing in the link above. There is no tolerance, and the worst on this front are usually those shouting for tolerance.
It will be interesting to see where this goes. As animals, we seem to always end up going with those who shout the loudest. Most intelligent creatures on the planet my arse. I wonder whether this sort of stuff will be our "extinction event" ultimately.
chrispmartha said:
“We don’t know what the rules are”
Whos we? And a simple rule is don’t sexually abuse women in the workplace, even if they do dare to wear lipstick
I suppose this is what he's talking about.Whos we? And a simple rule is don’t sexually abuse women in the workplace, even if they do dare to wear lipstick
http://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-43057792
vs
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43049517
V8mate said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
V8mate said:
chrispmartha said:
Dindoit said:
“We don’t know what the rules are”Whos we? And a simple rule is don’t sexually abuse women in the workplace, even if they do dare to wear lipstick
9 minutes
The one in the tweet won't play on my system.
It looks as though V8mate had the right of it.
A comparison of the above aired version with the original was recently posted.
The title is the video poster's, not mine.
Over 20 minutes as compared to the aired version's 9 minutes.
Incredible dishonest cutting & editing of Jordan Petersons Vice interview
ETA
And Peterson responds in typical style to a question on the subject of that interview and its editing.
Again - the poster's title choice.
Jordan Peterson Mocks VICE In A Recent Talk
Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Wednesday 28th February 15:05
That "Glitch In The Matrix" video is actually a 55min documentary, worth watching the full version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQCTeGKHsVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQCTeGKHsVc
gizlaroc said:
That "Glitch In The Matrix" video is actually a 55min documentary, worth watching the full version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQCTeGKHsVc
Absolutely.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQCTeGKHsVc
As I indicated above, the short clip, never mind the full documentary was by no means all about Peterson.
Some excellent social analysis surrounding developments of the last few years.
ash73 said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Over 20 minutes as compared to the aired version's 9 minutes.
Incredible dishonest cutting & editing of Jordan Petersons Vice interview
So what? 9 mins of incoherent babble is better than 20.Incredible dishonest cutting & editing of Jordan Petersons Vice interview
While it is actually a terrible interview in any case, the edits, which includes splicing sentences together, intentionally changes the meaning of some Peterson's statements in an attempt to show Peterson in a bad light.
Another agenda driven interviewer
Peterson's response Jordan Peterson Mocks VICE In A Recent Talk, including his analysis of the current state of MSM and broadcast television is far more interesting.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
ash73 said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Over 20 minutes as compared to the aired version's 9 minutes.
Incredible dishonest cutting & editing of Jordan Petersons Vice interview
So what? 9 mins of incoherent babble is better than 20.Incredible dishonest cutting & editing of Jordan Petersons Vice interview
While it is actually a terrible interview in any case, the edits, which includes splicing sentences together, intentionally changes the meaning of some Peterson's statements in an attempt to show Peterson in a bad light.
Another agenda driven interviewer
Peterson's response Jordan Peterson Mocks VICE In A Recent Talk, including his analysis of the current state of MSM and broadcast television is far more interesting.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
The point was rather that V8mate had correctly spotted the existence of heavy editing.
While it is actually a terrible interview in any case, the edits, which includes splicing sentences together, intentionally changes the meaning of some Peterson's statements in an attempt to show Peterson in a bad light.
Another agenda driven interviewer
Peterson's response Jordan Peterson Mocks VICE In A Recent Talk, including his analysis of the current state of MSM and broadcast television is far more interesting.
Interesting response video. Peterson's description of the interviewer's attitude as supercilious was spot on.While it is actually a terrible interview in any case, the edits, which includes splicing sentences together, intentionally changes the meaning of some Peterson's statements in an attempt to show Peterson in a bad light.
Another agenda driven interviewer
Peterson's response Jordan Peterson Mocks VICE In A Recent Talk, including his analysis of the current state of MSM and broadcast television is far more interesting.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
The point was rather that V8mate had correctly spotted the existence of heavy editing.
While it is actually a terrible interview in any case, the edits, which includes splicing sentences together, intentionally changes the meaning of some Peterson's statements in an attempt to show Peterson in a bad light.
Another agenda driven interviewer
Peterson's response Jordan Peterson Mocks VICE In A Recent Talk, including his analysis of the current state of MSM and broadcast television is far more interesting.
Interesting response video. Peterson's description of the interviewer's attitude as supercilious was spot on.While it is actually a terrible interview in any case, the edits, which includes splicing sentences together, intentionally changes the meaning of some Peterson's statements in an attempt to show Peterson in a bad light.
Another agenda driven interviewer
Peterson's response Jordan Peterson Mocks VICE In A Recent Talk, including his analysis of the current state of MSM and broadcast television is far more interesting.
- he spots cheap, manipulative tactics almost instantly
- he is very experienced at manipulating highly manipulative people (socio-paths, psychopaths etc)
- if you don't 'play fair', he will invariably be asked by another interviewer to, give an analysis of your behaviour
On those points alone, interviewers should be much more wary of him than he ever need be of them.
The tables have been turned.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Interesting response video. Peterson's description of the interviewer's attitude as supercilious was spot on.
Agree, you see it all the time in situations like that.They have this thing of a confident little giggle like kids every time they believe they have won or made a point. Or someone has said something they think is wrong.
Not saying others don't do this like Peterson every now and then everyone does. But with people like the vise guy it's like a constant smugness of self-righteousness same with Cathy Newman. In their heads they have a scripted idea, thought process which is right and cannot be changed.
The more and more you see people like this and they are everywhere now in the media, business, politics. I just think what the f
k is our education system doing especially University. They are teaching people what to think rather than how to think. How to look at different ideas with a open mind, how to not look at things in simplistic ways and so on. Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Thursday 1st March 13:19
ash73 said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Over 20 minutes as compared to the aired version's 9 minutes.
Incredible dishonest cutting & editing of Jordan Petersons Vice interview
So what? 9 mins of incoherent babble is better than 20.Incredible dishonest cutting & editing of Jordan Petersons Vice interview
Regardless have you watched the full clip? I saw the short clip and raised my eyebrows, I thought "I certainly don't agree with Jordan Peterson there" after watching the unedited clip I am absolutely gobsmacked and I would never ever expect such a stunt from vice.
They literally chopped sentences to change the meaning of what he was saying! How this isn't illegal I don't know. To literally chop a sentence and splice it, to change the meaning of the sentence is abhorrent. I always thought of Vice as quite an impartial truth seeking channel. Maybe not as professional as other outlets but certainly proper journalism. What the hell where they thinking in editing the interview in this way? Their integrity has been smashed to pieces.
Not-The-Messiah said:
The more and more you see people like this and they are everywhere now in the media, business, politics. I just think what the fk is our education system doing especially University. They are teaching people what to think rather than how to think. How to look at different ideas with a open mind, how to not look at things in simplistic ways and so on.
This was an interesting watch. k is our education system doing especially University. They are teaching people what to think rather than how to think. How to look at different ideas with a open mind, how to not look at things in simplistic ways and so on. https://vip.dangerous.com/milo-destroys-professor
gizlaroc said:
Youtube link Florida Professor Calls MILO a White Nationalist With Amazing Results which I am presuming is what was behind Milo's paywall?I am no fan of Milo, but this does show an all too typical occurrence of someone basing (probably) their entire judgement of someone upon the agenda driven view of their preferred political group, and often it seems having done no research of their own.
It may be worth mentioning that the professor 'Heidt' in this clip is not the same as professor Jonathan Haidt who is well worth looking into.
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