The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 3)

[PurpleMoonlight]

pgh said:

You seem to be assuming those rejections are permanent. We've all watched the EU change position in the inevitable last minute crisis phase that is part of everything it does.

Good to see the UK is planning well in advance then.

[Sway]

Ghibli said:

Sway said:

Ghibli said:

Do you actually follow what is going on in these negotiations?

Yes. I have mentioned a few times that I broadly ignore them. The actual interesting bit is yet to happen - all both sides are doing is priming the crisis that'll actually drive talks.

I called you ignorant of customs practices because you demonstrated very clearly you are, giving the areas of misunderstanding so you could educate yourself.

Perhaps you could educate yourself by realising what has already been rejected by the EU. You may have a better understanding of what people are saying to you and why they are saying it.

Why exactly do you believe the EU has any say whatsoever in our WTO compliant customs clearance processes once we are a third country?

Did we or the EU have any say in how China imports goods from us? No.

[p1stonhead]

pgh said:

How would you plan for a negotiation with an entity that will only deal seriously when pressed against a deadline?

How about plan by doing any fking planning at all

[PurpleMoonlight]

pgh said:

How would you plan for a negotiation with an entity that will only deal seriously when pressed against a deadline?

Oh. I don't know, maybe by making your mind up want you want to achieve early in the process perhaps?

[p1stonhead]

pgh said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Oh. I don't know, maybe by making your mind up want you want to achieve early in the process perhaps?

Thusly? https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-lette...

Not even close. That just says we want to leave.

Our own government are having a meeting TODAY (over two years since the vote) to try to agree on something to aim for. Its PATHETIC.

That anyone can even try to put any of this on the EU is hilarious.

[silentbrown]

Tuna said:

I say that NI issues are being treated as more difficult than they have to be by people trying to drive the debate... and here you are, bang on time.

The point here is that this is a problem we can look to solve 'once and for all' - with whatever technological and pragmatic solutions we can muster. Solve it once and get on with our lives. We're a smart nation, let's do it.

If we wanted a pragmatic solution we'd have a CU/EEA. You're looking for an ideological solution.

Probably easiest to just take a leaf out of Putin's book and annexe Ireland. Should keep Arlene Foster happy. What could go wrong?

[Sway]

silentbrown said:

Tuna said:

I say that NI issues are being treated as more difficult than they have to be by people trying to drive the debate... and here you are, bang on time.

The point here is that this is a problem we can look to solve 'once and for all' - with whatever technological and pragmatic solutions we can muster. Solve it once and get on with our lives. We're a smart nation, let's do it.

If we wanted a pragmatic solution we'd have a CU/EEA. You're looking for an ideological solution.

Funny how prior to the referendum, pretty much everyone dismissed EEA/EFTA as the worst of both worlds...

The need for an "ideological" solution is rooted in over three quarters of the voting electorate voting for parties that expressly stated they interpreted the vote to Leave as being a vote to leave both SM&CU.

[p1stonhead]

Sway said:

silentbrown said:

Tuna said:

I say that NI issues are being treated as more difficult than they have to be by people trying to drive the debate... and here you are, bang on time.

The point here is that this is a problem we can look to solve 'once and for all' - with whatever technological and pragmatic solutions we can muster. Solve it once and get on with our lives. We're a smart nation, let's do it.

If we wanted a pragmatic solution we'd have a CU/EEA. You're looking for an ideological solution.

Funny how prior to the referendum, pretty much everyone dismissed EEA/EFTA as the worst of both worlds...

The need for an "ideological" solution is rooted in over three quarters of the voting electorate voting for parties that expressly stated they interpreted the vote to Leave as being a vote to leave both SM&CU.

Should have thought about Ireland then before stating that.

[PurpleMoonlight]

p1stonhead said:

That anyone can even try to put any of this on the EU is hilarious.

It's hard for some to change the habit of a lifetime.

[Dr Jekyll]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Oh. I don't know, maybe by making your mind up want you want to achieve early in the process perhaps?

Perhaps there should be a re run of the England Columbia Game.
After all England didn’t know what was going to happen or who they might have to play after the quarter finals, and 5 goals to 4 is a pretty small margin.

[Sway]

p1stonhead said:

Sway said:

silentbrown said:

Tuna said:

I say that NI issues are being treated as more difficult than they have to be by people trying to drive the debate... and here you are, bang on time.

The point here is that this is a problem we can look to solve 'once and for all' - with whatever technological and pragmatic solutions we can muster. Solve it once and get on with our lives. We're a smart nation, let's do it.

If we wanted a pragmatic solution we'd have a CU/EEA. You're looking for an ideological solution.

Funny how prior to the referendum, pretty much everyone dismissed EEA/EFTA as the worst of both worlds...

The need for an "ideological" solution is rooted in over three quarters of the voting electorate voting for parties that expressly stated they interpreted the vote to Leave as being a vote to leave both SM&CU.

Should have thought about Ireland then before stating that.

Why?

There is no issue for people - the bit that's actually in the Belfast Agreement.

Goods don't have to be an issue - there are solutions available, and at least one requires no agreement with the EU.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Dr Jekyll said:

Perhaps there should be a re run of the England Columbia Game.
After all England didn’t know what was going to happen or who they might have to play after the quarter finals, and 5 goals to 4 is a pretty small margin.

Yeah, like that's a relevant comparison.

Not.

[silentbrown]

Sway said:

Funny how prior to the referendum, pretty much everyone dismissed EEA/EFTA as the worst of both worlds...

Toto, we're not in Kansas any more...

Sway said:

The need for an "ideological" solution is rooted in over three quarters of the voting electorate voting for parties that expressly stated they interpreted the vote to Leave as being a vote to leave both SM&CU.

Really? Labour Manifesto didn't seem to say that.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/l...

"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain."

[sidicks]

silentbrown said:

"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain."

Key words highlighted for you.

[don'tbesilly]

Dr Jekyll said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Oh. I don't know, maybe by making your mind up want you want to achieve early in the process perhaps?

Perhaps there should be a re run of the England Columbia Game.
After all England didn’t know what was going to happen or who they might have to play after the quarter finals, and 5 goals to 4 is a pretty small margin.

The Colombians have got a petition going for a replay!

PM could stay in bed to sign that one

[gooner1]

sidicks said:

silentbrown said:

"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain."

Key words highlighted for you.

Something like the SM and CU but not the SM or CU then..
Cosmic.

[davepoth]

gooner1 said:

Something like the SM and CU but not the SM or CU then..
Cosmic.

Ah yes, but also out of the SM and CU at the same time. It was a very impressive bit of positioning by a manifesto writer who didn't seem to believe they had a chance of power.

[silentbrown]

sidicks said:

silentbrown said:

"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain."

Key words highlighted for you.

"expressly stated they interpreted the vote to Leave as being a vote to leave both SM&CU."

Key words highlighted for you too. The labour manifesto states no such thing. expressly or otherwise.

[Sway]

silentbrown said:

sidicks said:

silentbrown said:

"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain."

Key words highlighted for you.

"expressly stated they interpreted the vote to Leave as being a vote to leave both SM&CU."

Key words highlighted for you too. The labour manifesto states no such thing. expressly or otherwise.

Where did I say they expressly stated it in their manifesto? There's plenty of interviews to wade through - the question was asked many times...

[sidicks]

silentbrown said:

"expressly stated they interpreted the vote to Leave as being a vote to leave both SM&CU."

Key words highlighted for you too. The labour manifesto states no such thing. expressly or otherwise.

1. Why do you think they said “retain the benefits of the SM/CU” not “stay in the SM/CU”?

2. Have you looked at what was said in any speeches given during the referendum process and thereafter?