The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 3)
Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Oh. I don't know, maybe by making your mind up want you want to achieve early in the process perhaps?
Perhaps there should be a re run of the England Columbia Game.After all England didn’t know what was going to happen or who they might have to play after the quarter finals, and 5 goals to 4 is a pretty small margin.
silentbrown said:
If we wanted a pragmatic solution we'd have a CU/EEA. You're looking for an ideological solution.
What nonsense. The EU have said we can't have a CU without compromising the wider basis on which we want to leave (self determination). Pragmatically, that's not even on the table.The b
ks spouted by some unrepentant Remainers that 'because NI' we have to effectively remain in the EU is pretty much the perfect definition of 'ideological'.Sway said:
Why exactly do you believe the EU has any say whatsoever in our WTO compliant customs clearance processes once we are a third country?
Did we or the EU have any say in how China imports goods from us? No.
How will this work with an open border.Did we or the EU have any say in how China imports goods from us? No.
Remember that it is the EUs choice how they protect their border and not ours.
Call me ignorant but I am discussing the negotiations.
SpeckledJim said:
gooner1 said:
What about Ireland's choice?
While they remain in the EU, they don't have a choice.They can't obstruct trade without good reason., which primarily means safety standards.
Since there has been frictionless trade between the UK (rest of) the EU for 40 odd years without issue, it's going to be a bit tricky to argue that some peril is waiting across the border for the day we leave the EU.
Ghibli said:
Sway said:
Why exactly do you believe the EU has any say whatsoever in our WTO compliant customs clearance processes once we are a third country?
Did we or the EU have any say in how China imports goods from us? No.
How will this work with an open border.Did we or the EU have any say in how China imports goods from us? No.
Remember that it is the EUs choice how they protect their border and not ours.
Call me ignorant but I am discussing the negotiations.
How France/Holland/RoI wish to process their imports is down to them.
Sway said:
Ghibli said:
Sway said:
Why exactly do you believe the EU has any say whatsoever in our WTO compliant customs clearance processes once we are a third country?
Did we or the EU have any say in how China imports goods from us? No.
How will this work with an open border.Did we or the EU have any say in how China imports goods from us? No.
Remember that it is the EUs choice how they protect their border and not ours.
Call me ignorant but I am discussing the negotiations.
How France/Holland/RoI wish to process their imports is down to them.
gooner1 said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
gooner1 said:
Just the E.U causing problems then.
If only we knew what the EU rules were before we voted to leave.Oh ......
Or we put the border in the Irish Sea.
But the real puppet masters, the DUP, shot that idea down in flames.
Just to pick on the pgh/purplemoonlight/p1stonhead discussion previously.
The company I work for held a Brexit session this week for our customers. We supply industries of all sorts but the key ones are automotive (pretty much all of them), construction and pharmaceuticals. Our experince matches that of our customers and that is that
1) The UK government is listening and planning for WTO, high levels of burn out in Whitehall as a consequence
2) Industries are adjusting supply chains to handle WTO (will cost us around £50M and 4 more people to process the imports (around 500K)).
3) Infrastructure is being invested in - deep water docks in Liverpool to bypass EU customs from ROW imports.
4) The Netherlands are planning for WTO.
5) The rest of the EU are not listening to business and are not planning for anything. For example businesses are trying to register (REACH) materials in the EU and are being refused. These would normally be process in the UK (500,000,000 Eur of registrations done here) but companies (UK & EU ones) are looking to do REACH in the EU and are being refused.
Can't say who said what though as it was Charter house rules.
The company I work for held a Brexit session this week for our customers. We supply industries of all sorts but the key ones are automotive (pretty much all of them), construction and pharmaceuticals. Our experince matches that of our customers and that is that
1) The UK government is listening and planning for WTO, high levels of burn out in Whitehall as a consequence
2) Industries are adjusting supply chains to handle WTO (will cost us around £50M and 4 more people to process the imports (around 500K)).
3) Infrastructure is being invested in - deep water docks in Liverpool to bypass EU customs from ROW imports.
4) The Netherlands are planning for WTO.
5) The rest of the EU are not listening to business and are not planning for anything. For example businesses are trying to register (REACH) materials in the EU and are being refused. These would normally be process in the UK (500,000,000 Eur of registrations done here) but companies (UK & EU ones) are looking to do REACH in the EU and are being refused.
Can't say who said what though as it was Charter house rules.
p1stonhead said:
Sway said:
Ghibli said:
Sway said:
Why exactly do you believe the EU has any say whatsoever in our WTO compliant customs clearance processes once we are a third country?
Did we or the EU have any say in how China imports goods from us? No.
How will this work with an open border.Did we or the EU have any say in how China imports goods from us? No.
Remember that it is the EUs choice how they protect their border and not ours.
Call me ignorant but I am discussing the negotiations.
How France/Holland/RoI wish to process their imports is down to them.
The fact we haven't already done it is a bloody shame - the fact we're getting the impetus to approach the issue is a benefit...
Dr Jekyll said:
But WTO rules still apply.
They can't obstruct trade without good reason., which primarily means safety standards.
Since there has been frictionless trade between the UK (rest of) the EU for 40 odd years without issue, it's going to be a bit tricky to argue that some peril is waiting across the border for the day we leave the EU.
this^ the only difference is we will no longer be a member of a political union. since people seem to like golf club analogies here is another. someone owns the company that supplies the food and drink to the local club house. they are also a member of the golf club. they get a debilitating disease that means they can no longer play golf so they don't pay their club membership anymore. does that mean their company can no longer supply the food and drink to the club house ?They can't obstruct trade without good reason., which primarily means safety standards.
Since there has been frictionless trade between the UK (rest of) the EU for 40 odd years without issue, it's going to be a bit tricky to argue that some peril is waiting across the border for the day we leave the EU.
wc98 said:
this^ the only difference is we will no longer be a member of a political union. since people seem to like golf club analogies here is another. someone owns the company that supplies the food and drink to the local club house. they are also a member of the golf club. they get a debilitating disease that means they can no longer play golf so they don't pay their club membership anymore. does that mean their company can no longer supply the food and drink to the club house ?
No, but the club might look for an alternative supplier.wc98 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
But WTO rules still apply.
They can't obstruct trade without good reason., which primarily means safety standards.
Since there has been frictionless trade between the UK (rest of) the EU for 40 odd years without issue, it's going to be a bit tricky to argue that some peril is waiting across the border for the day we leave the EU.
this^ the only difference is we will no longer be a member of a political union. since people seem to like golf club analogies here is another. someone owns the company that supplies the food and drink to the local club house. they are also a member of the golf club. they get a debilitating disease that means they can no longer play golf so they don't pay their club membership anymore. does that mean their company can no longer supply the food and drink to the club house ?They can't obstruct trade without good reason., which primarily means safety standards.
Since there has been frictionless trade between the UK (rest of) the EU for 40 odd years without issue, it's going to be a bit tricky to argue that some peril is waiting across the border for the day we leave the EU.
p1stonhead said:
wc98 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
But WTO rules still apply.
They can't obstruct trade without good reason., which primarily means safety standards.
Since there has been frictionless trade between the UK (rest of) the EU for 40 odd years without issue, it's going to be a bit tricky to argue that some peril is waiting across the border for the day we leave the EU.
this^ the only difference is we will no longer be a member of a political union. since people seem to like golf club analogies here is another. someone owns the company that supplies the food and drink to the local club house. they are also a member of the golf club. they get a debilitating disease that means they can no longer play golf so they don't pay their club membership anymore. does that mean their company can no longer supply the food and drink to the club house ?They can't obstruct trade without good reason., which primarily means safety standards.
Since there has been frictionless trade between the UK (rest of) the EU for 40 odd years without issue, it's going to be a bit tricky to argue that some peril is waiting across the border for the day we leave the EU.
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