The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 3)

The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 3)

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g4ry13

17,047 posts

256 months

Wednesday 13th November 2019
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Brooking10 said:
g4ry13 said:
Depends who you ask. I'm sure Jo Swinson would have a thing or two to say about that!
I have as much chance of winning the GE with a clear mandate .......
I've wagered a bit of money on it happening as a worst case scenario.

They're the one party with a very clear remain policy. Labour are unelectable. It's a scary possibility in my opinion.

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Wednesday 13th November 2019
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Fittster said:
He could also locate a factory in the UK, once sales have hit a certain point. “It seems like a logical thing to do in the long-term to have a factory in the UK,” Musk said. That would come after the company establishes a production plant in continental Europe he said. However neither will happen until sales surpass 160,000 in Europe, according to Musk."

Fittster

20,120 posts

214 months

Wednesday 13th November 2019
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Tuna said:
Fittster said:
He could also locate a factory in the UK, once sales have hit a certain point. “It seems like a logical thing to do in the long-term to have a factory in the UK,” Musk said. That would come after the company establishes a production plant in continental Europe he said. However neither will happen until sales surpass 160,000 in Europe, according to Musk."
And now he's abandoned that plan thanks to Brexit, along with the Research and Development facility.

DeepEnd

4,240 posts

67 months

Wednesday 13th November 2019
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Tuna said:
Fittster said:
He could also locate a factory in the UK, once sales have hit a certain point. “It seems like a logical thing to do in the long-term to have a factory in the UK,” Musk said. That would come after the company establishes a production plant in continental Europe he said. However neither will happen until sales surpass 160,000 in Europe, according to Musk."
Musk ...”blamed Brexit uncertainty for his decision to drop plans to build a research and development base in the UK, which will now also go to Germany.

“Brexit made it too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,” Mr Musk said, referring to Tesla’s new battery and electric vehicle plant.

He could have Dyson’s no longer required R&D site cheap too. Funny how Dyson was allowed to change his mind about brexit Britain being the right answer for his business. Everyone else is stuck with it while he decamps elsewhere.

gooner1

10,223 posts

180 months

Wednesday 13th November 2019
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DeepEnd said:
Musk ...”blamed Brexit uncertainty for his decision to drop plans to build a research and development base in the UK, which will now also go to Germany.

“Brexit made it too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,” Mr Musk said, referring to Tesla’s new battery and electric vehicle plant.

He could have Dyson’s no longer required R&D site cheap too. Funny how Dyson was allowed to change his mind about brexit Britain being the right answer for his business. Everyone else is stuck with it while he decamps elsewhere.
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Talking of being elsewhere, I notice your reluctance to answering who your MP is and are you based in the UK. Any particular reason for that DP?

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Wednesday 13th November 2019
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Fittster said:
Tuna said:
Fittster said:
He could also locate a factory in the UK, once sales have hit a certain point. “It seems like a logical thing to do in the long-term to have a factory in the UK,” Musk said. That would come after the company establishes a production plant in continental Europe he said. However neither will happen until sales surpass 160,000 in Europe, according to Musk."
And now he's abandoned that plan thanks to Brexit, along with the Research and Development facility.
Doesn't the quote above say that he would build a factory in the UK after he built a production plant in continental Europe (ie. not in the UK)?

DeepEnd

4,240 posts

67 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Tuna said:
Doesn't the quote above say that he would build a factory in the UK after he built a production plant in continental Europe (ie. not in the UK)?
Musk ...”blamed Brexit uncertainty for his decision to drop plans to build a research and development base in the UK, which will now also go to Germany.”

Musk ...”blamed Brexit uncertainty for his decision to drop plans to build a research and development base in the UK, which will now also go to Germany.”

Musk ...”blamed Brexit uncertainty for his decision to drop plans to build a research and development base in the UK, which will now also go to Germany.”

Musk ...”blamed Brexit uncertainty for his decision to drop plans to build a research and development base in the UK, which will now also go to Germany.”

Musk ...”blamed Brexit uncertainty for his decision to drop plans to build a research and development base in the UK, which will now also go to Germany.”

Drop plans

Drop plans

Drop

Drop

Drop

Is it clear yet?

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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DeepEnd said:
Musk ...”blamed Brexit uncertainty for his decision to drop plans to build a research and development base in the UK, which will now also go to Germany.

“Brexit made it too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,” Mr Musk said, referring to Tesla’s new battery and electric vehicle plant.

He could have Dyson’s no longer required R&D site cheap too. Funny how Dyson was allowed to change his mind about brexit Britain being the right answer for his business. Everyone else is stuck with it while he decamps elsewhere.
Dyson is expanding its UK R&D site and employee count, where do you get the info from that it's no longer needed?

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Its going to be interesting to see how Musk gets on with the German labour unions, his hire and fire USA regime wont wash in Germany.

DeepEnd

4,240 posts

67 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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jsf said:
Its going to be interesting to see how Musk gets on with the German labour unions, his hire and fire USA regime wont wash in Germany.
Yep, there are no successful engineering companies in Germany. scratchchin

It’s not going to be interesting watch Musk create thousands of jobs in Germany.

It’s going to be sad that they aren’t in the UK.

All down to the Brexit vote.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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DeepEnd said:
Yep, there are no successful engineering companies in Germany. scratchchin
You cant be this thick, surely.

No response to the Dyson question then?

DeepEnd

4,240 posts

67 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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jsf said:
DeepEnd said:
Yep, there are no successful engineering companies in Germany. scratchchin
You cant be this thick, surely.

No response to the Dyson question then?
I'm sure you can make the connection between my reply and your sneery "german labour laws / hope he has problems as he's not coming to the UK / sour grapes"? Comes across as rather bitter. scratchchin

The Dyson reference was obviously a joke about the cancellation of "Brexit is best for UK" Dyson's electric car project supporting 500 jobs - jobs which may or may not have been reallocated within Dyson etc. Of course Musk would not adopt the actual R&D site - it was not intended to be taken literally.

It's interesting how some Brexiters are happy to hang on every word literally when it suits an argument.

But when Musk "drops plans" to invest hugely in the UK because of brexit, there is much scratching around for semantic excuses as to why "drops plans" actually means "he was never going to do it anyway".

Musk moving into Dyson's theoretically empty shed = joke
Musk saying he will not invest in UK due to Brexit = reality

DeepEnd

4,240 posts

67 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Interesting analysis of the deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljToxQi6nVo&fe...

30 mins - difficulties for NI
33 mins - rank hypocrisy
48 mins - leavers might want to skip this bit. some tough truths.

Ridgemont

6,600 posts

132 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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DeepEnd said:
Interesting analysis of the deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljToxQi6nVo&fe...

30 mins - difficulties for NI
33 mins - rank hypocrisy
48 mins - leavers might want to skip this bit. some tough truths.
Yes. Going so well up to the 48 min mark where he ranted about smears and lies and whatnot. As an academic.

Skip.

Smiler.

11,752 posts

231 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (formerly the DTI) pressed Musk hard to locate his new factory in Swindon, but he said he preferred Berlin & simply wouldn't cave.

DeepEnd

4,240 posts

67 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Ridgemont said:
DeepEnd said:
Interesting analysis of the deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljToxQi6nVo&fe...

30 mins - difficulties for NI
33 mins - rank hypocrisy
48 mins - leavers might want to skip this bit. some tough truths.
Yes. Going so well up to the 48 min mark where he ranted about smears and lies and whatnot. As an academic.

Skip.
He is perhaps ill judged to voice his opinions so but the waning patience with leavers who have no idea why we “must get brexit done” is growing.

His parody on the Lisbon treaty at 1:07 rings true.

His assessment of the deal and what may happen is perhaps what WTOers want to hear.

smifffymoto

4,568 posts

206 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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Musk’ s wording is critical,he says continental Europe.The UK is in Europe but could be argued not continental Europe.
Did he ever really intend to build a factory in the UK?

If he did mean Europe,why specifically say continental Europe?

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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DeepEnd said:
Is it clear yet?
That you struggle with comprehension the moment it comes to reading 'Leaver' posts? Yes.

don'tbesilly

13,940 posts

164 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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DeepEnd said:
Tuna said:
Fittster said:
He could also locate a factory in the UK, once sales have hit a certain point. “It seems like a logical thing to do in the long-term to have a factory in the UK,” Musk said.That would come after the company establishes a production plant in continental Europe he said. However neither will happen until sales surpass 160,000 in Europe, according to Musk."
Musk ...”blamed Brexit uncertainty for his decision to drop plans to build a research and development base in the UK, which will now also go to Germany.”

“Brexit made it [b]too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,” Mr Musk said, referring to Tesla’s new battery and electric vehicle plant.

He could have Dyson’s no longer required R&D site cheap too. Funny how Dyson was allowed to change his mind about brexit Britain being the right answer for his business. Everyone else is stuck with it while he decamps elsewhere.
I'll just drop a lie in as no one will notice".

///ajd quite often used to do the same, it's no surprise his nom de plume follows suit.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 14th November 2019
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don'tbesilly said:
I'll just drop a lie in as no one will notice".

///ajd quite often used to do the same, it's no surprise his nom de plume follows suit.
I noticed, called him out on it, he doubled down. Utter cockwomble.