Discussion
I was looking through some of the Tory parties facebook feed the other day and looking at the comments section to see what people think of various issues as I always think it's good to see what different people with different views think of issues.
I was struck by just how violent some of the opinions were. I like to make my point as much as the next person but some of the stuff being said was just extreme on both sides. I'm quiet young but in my short time voting I have never seen people so angry about politics has it always been this way and I haven't noticed? The last couple of elections before last years I thought were in pretty good taste but since the last things seem to have got savage.
The Labour supporters seem to think anyone who votes tory is a murderer supporting the downfall of the NHS so that they can be richer and the tory supporters think Labour are all scroungers living off of the hard work of everyone else when of course it takes all kinds of people voting for both parties for them to get the votes that they do.
Also during the election I had the joy of my Conservative sign having
written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice.
Of course Facebook is not the best place for reasoned debate but all of these people are presumably normal working and voting people. So why so much animosity?
I was struck by just how violent some of the opinions were. I like to make my point as much as the next person but some of the stuff being said was just extreme on both sides. I'm quiet young but in my short time voting I have never seen people so angry about politics has it always been this way and I haven't noticed? The last couple of elections before last years I thought were in pretty good taste but since the last things seem to have got savage.
The Labour supporters seem to think anyone who votes tory is a murderer supporting the downfall of the NHS so that they can be richer and the tory supporters think Labour are all scroungers living off of the hard work of everyone else when of course it takes all kinds of people voting for both parties for them to get the votes that they do.
Also during the election I had the joy of my Conservative sign having
written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice. Of course Facebook is not the best place for reasoned debate but all of these people are presumably normal working and voting people. So why so much animosity?
The effects of social media and internet on politics.
News websites are old after a few hours and social media limited to 170 characters. There is no time/space to debate.
I do believe the ideologies of the left suit this sound bite culture. Fair is good, helping people is good, being open minded is good etc. Yes but everything all needs to be understood in context. And paid for.
It is partly why people do not admit to voting tory and why the trump and brexit votes went against the polls.
Brexit was a perfect example, all we heard was people calling each other racist or snowflake.nobody actually had a sensible discussion on what the eu is /does.
News websites are old after a few hours and social media limited to 170 characters. There is no time/space to debate.
I do believe the ideologies of the left suit this sound bite culture. Fair is good, helping people is good, being open minded is good etc. Yes but everything all needs to be understood in context. And paid for.
It is partly why people do not admit to voting tory and why the trump and brexit votes went against the polls.
Brexit was a perfect example, all we heard was people calling each other racist or snowflake.nobody actually had a sensible discussion on what the eu is /does.
I wouldn't say it's just a problem one on side of the political spectrum to be fair. It's just that politics is becoming more polarised, and as one side pushes further away from the centre, the other side does in response - extremists beget extremists, you might say.
Some will argue it is being driven by the overly left wing education systems and media promulgating views that are currently too far removed from mainstream thought that is causing the reaction on the right. Others will say the opposite, that the growth in the left is a reaction to the right being too dominant - but whichever is true its going to become more of a problem.
What needs to happen is for the mainstream on both sides of politics to reign in or, if not possible, denounce the extremes that cause these problems. Unfortunately as one side is currently supposedly being propped up by them that's not likely.
For most people you just need to remember that you can only influence your own behaviour, that you are accountable only for yourself (although responsible for your family too, of course) and vote as you see fit based on the views you hold as an individual. Forcing you views on others, or allowing them to do so to you without critical reasoning, is wrong and you are letting yourself and society down. Unfortunately we have many voters who cannot seem to manage this.
Some will argue it is being driven by the overly left wing education systems and media promulgating views that are currently too far removed from mainstream thought that is causing the reaction on the right. Others will say the opposite, that the growth in the left is a reaction to the right being too dominant - but whichever is true its going to become more of a problem.
What needs to happen is for the mainstream on both sides of politics to reign in or, if not possible, denounce the extremes that cause these problems. Unfortunately as one side is currently supposedly being propped up by them that's not likely.
For most people you just need to remember that you can only influence your own behaviour, that you are accountable only for yourself (although responsible for your family too, of course) and vote as you see fit based on the views you hold as an individual. Forcing you views on others, or allowing them to do so to you without critical reasoning, is wrong and you are letting yourself and society down. Unfortunately we have many voters who cannot seem to manage this.
ntiz said:
Also during the election I had the joy of my Conservative sign having written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice.
You do have to be a fairly special type of person to put a sign up saying what government faction you support... written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice. ntiz said:
I was looking through some of the Tory parties facebook feed the other day and looking at the comments section to see what people think of various issues as I always think it's good to see what different people with different views think of issues.
I was struck by just how violent some of the opinions were. I like to make my point as much as the next person but some of the stuff being said was just extreme on both sides. I'm quiet young but in my short time voting I have never seen people so angry about politics has it always been this way and I haven't noticed? The last couple of elections before last years I thought were in pretty good taste but since the last things seem to have got savage.
The Labour supporters seem to think anyone who votes tory is a murderer supporting the downfall of the NHS so that they can be richer and the tory supporters think Labour are all scroungers living off of the hard work of everyone else when of course it takes all kinds of people voting for both parties for them to get the votes that they do.
Also during the election I had the joy of my Conservative sign having written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice.
Of course Facebook is not the best place for reasoned debate but all of these people are presumably normal working and voting people. So why so much animosity?
Whereas NP&E is of course a byword for tolerance, respect and reasoned argument.I was struck by just how violent some of the opinions were. I like to make my point as much as the next person but some of the stuff being said was just extreme on both sides. I'm quiet young but in my short time voting I have never seen people so angry about politics has it always been this way and I haven't noticed? The last couple of elections before last years I thought were in pretty good taste but since the last things seem to have got savage.
The Labour supporters seem to think anyone who votes tory is a murderer supporting the downfall of the NHS so that they can be richer and the tory supporters think Labour are all scroungers living off of the hard work of everyone else when of course it takes all kinds of people voting for both parties for them to get the votes that they do.
Also during the election I had the joy of my Conservative sign having
written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice. Of course Facebook is not the best place for reasoned debate but all of these people are presumably normal working and voting people. So why so much animosity?
There are three things in life to live by:
1. Never trust anyone with a beard (e.g. Corbyn).
2. Never trust anyone over 30 (e.g. Corbyn).
3. Never trust a red. They have slaughtered >100 million people worldwide in the past century (e.g. Blair). More than all other ideologies and religions combined.
1. Never trust anyone with a beard (e.g. Corbyn).
2. Never trust anyone over 30 (e.g. Corbyn).
3. Never trust a red. They have slaughtered >100 million people worldwide in the past century (e.g. Blair). More than all other ideologies and religions combined.
xjay1337 said:
ntiz said:
Also during the election I had the joy of my Conservative sign having written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice.
You do have to be a fairly special type of person to put a sign up saying what government faction you support... written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice. I'd say it could as easily be construed as innocent naivety, just as it could outright ignorant arrogance.
It does amuse me though that the left seem quite so happy to destroy symbols of the democratic process that do not align with their own views. Totalitarian much.
I think some Twitter and Facebook posts are so nasty because people can be Big Brave Keyboard Warriors!
Anonymity on the internet means they can post really nasty, evil stuff with no real comeback.
Of course there are a few who will be the same in real life, but thankfully / hopefully a minority.
People face to face on their own are usually more polite / amenable. In a crowd they become more nasty and shouty as they think they're less likely to be identified.
Social Media isn't always so 'Social' unfortunately.
Anonymity on the internet means they can post really nasty, evil stuff with no real comeback.
Of course there are a few who will be the same in real life, but thankfully / hopefully a minority.
People face to face on their own are usually more polite / amenable. In a crowd they become more nasty and shouty as they think they're less likely to be identified.
Social Media isn't always so 'Social' unfortunately.
xjay1337 said:
ntiz said:
Also during the election I had the joy of my Conservative sign having written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice.
You do have to be a fairly special type of person to put a sign up saying what government faction you support... written on it and snapped in half within a couple of hours of me putting it up . . which was nice. I would say feeling the need to come on to my property just to smash up a sign and write on it is a bit more special. I wouldn't call it particularly normal behaviour.
Countdown said:
If anybody thinks nasty hatey posts are somehow unique to lefties they should take a look at the comments pages on the Daily Mail and Breitbart.
There are a lot of thick ignorant people out there, on all sides of the political spectrum.
^This is true.There are a lot of thick ignorant people out there, on all sides of the political spectrum.
And to modify my comment about, I should have said "some of the left", because I'm sure not all of them would automatically destroy a banner for an opposing party.
To add to the theme of political disdain though, merely look at the arrogance and entitlement displayed in the various voting frauds that have been exposed.
Countdown said:
If anybody thinks nasty hatey posts are somehow unique to lefties they should take a look at the comments pages on the Daily Mail and Breitbart.
There are a lot of thick ignorant people out there, on all sides of the political spectrum.
I usually find the right is more condescending and arrogant some of it makes me cringe.There are a lot of thick ignorant people out there, on all sides of the political spectrum.
Calling some one a peasant or economically illiterate isn't going to make them think your way is any better.
Triumph Man said:
Because the left are bitter, twisted little people...
I think that's not unique to the left. But everyone thinks their individual opinion is 'right' (maybe correct would be a better word) - so only sees the nasty streak in others. If you are on the right, you will see it in the left and vice versa
Vocal Minority said:
Triumph Man said:
Because the left are bitter, twisted little people...
I think that's not unique to the left. But everyone thinks their individual opinion is 'right' (maybe correct would be a better word) - so only sees the nasty streak in others. If you are on the right, you will see it in the left and vice versa
I have to agree. The bile and hatred I got off an old school friend just because he found out I voted conservative was unreal.
I tried to reason with him and suggest that people should be free to vote for a political party they think may do the best job fell on deaf ears.
His attitude was that as a northener from a relatively poor broken home - how could I possibly vote anything other than Labour.
I tried to reason with him and suggest that people should be free to vote for a political party they think may do the best job fell on deaf ears.
His attitude was that as a northener from a relatively poor broken home - how could I possibly vote anything other than Labour.
Moonhawk said:
I have to agree. The bile and hatred I got off an old school friend just because he found out I voted conservative was unreal.
I tried to reason with him and suggest that people should be free to vote for a political party they think may do the best job fell on deaf ears.
His attitude was that as a northener from a relatively poor broken home - how could I possibly vote anything other than Labour.
All the Northern, poor, broken areas still exist after every Labour government. Why would they bother doing anything to address the social issues if you always vote Labour anyway? If you want to see change, you need to be a marginal seat. That way all the parties will act to try and buy your vote. You also have to conclude that if poor areas always vote Labour (and rich areas vote Tory) it's not really in Labour's interest to improve the poor areas lot...I tried to reason with him and suggest that people should be free to vote for a political party they think may do the best job fell on deaf ears.
His attitude was that as a northener from a relatively poor broken home - how could I possibly vote anything other than Labour.
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