45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[Byker28i]

https://mobile.twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/...

Sign posted on Manaforts house.

[Davos123]

Byker28i said:

Methinks thou does protest too much. I posted the source, qualified it as a single source with perhaps a subject to. Watch out for. That was it.

Still you've made your point and responded. I'll move on now thanks.

I'm just saying next time you post stuff from a nonsense conspiracy site from someone who blames literally everything on the Russians, you should probably make it clear you're linking to a source that should not be treated as in any way, shape or form legitimate rather than making out it's a news source worthy of consideration. You know as well as I do if Frankenstein linked to an article by the alt-right equivalent of Mensch you'd be all over him for it.

[frankenstein12]

Byker28i said:

There's not a huge number, just that numbers are increasing again back to normal levels.
As a tactic, however distasteful, for a person without morals or in sessions case claims biblical rights, you can see the warped logic in it. Make it really unattractive to try to enter the US, but it is really distasteful, when some are claiming asylum. A lot of the parents are only charged with misdemeanours but still don't know where their children ar.

Two issues. Regardless of anything they are in the country illegally. That's where it begins and ends how they end up being caught is irrelevant.

Second if they are taken into custody and the kids are taken into one of these holding centres I would assume the parents are made aware of where their kids are and are given calls or visits

If not I would say that would be wrong. The kids and parents should be able to keep in touch by at least phone calls.

[RobDickinson]

Its evil fascism.

Trump blamed the democrats! Then aid it was a negotiating tool. Kids. In pens. taken from their parents. for no reason.

Sickening but what do you expect from the government that supports nazi groups

[RobDickinson]

This is the USA. In 2018. 47000 children since October.

This is not right.

[Tampon]

The Dangerous Elk said:

You saying I am wrong, how so ?
Or is it just a general attack without understanding the point about stupid statements making the case against Trump weaker ?

No way.

I have seen the light.

I follow only you and Trump now.

These other sucker just see what they want to.

You tease out the detail that makes all things possible.

[Byker28i]

Davos123 said:

Byker28i said:

Methinks thou does protest too much. I posted the source, qualified it as a single source with perhaps a subject to. Watch out for. That was it.

Still you've made your point and responded. I'll move on now thanks.

I'm just saying next time you post stuff from a nonsense conspiracy site from someone who blames literally everything on the Russians, you should probably make it clear you're linking to a source that should not be treated as in any way, shape or form legitimate rather than making out it's a news source worthy of consideration. You know as well as I do if Frankenstein linked to an article by the alt-right equivalent of Mensch you'd be all over him for it.

I think you're mistaking me for someone else? F12 actually puts over some valid arguments and it's good to have a buffer against some of the runaway hatred that can occur. It shouldn't stop us discussing whats happening though

As for the claim, I wrote:

Byker28i said:

A single report for now, not repeated elsewhere so I wouldn't give it much weight yet, but it may be one to watch

I qualified it, gave the source, said it may be a story to watch, not sure what more i can do. But hey, lets not dsicuss the story, lets go down a cul de sac of blame instead.

What also popped up this morning is that Scott Dworkin has said that he's been told GOP Rep Nunes, GOP Rep Rohrabacher and Sean Hannity are under investigation. Again we shouldn't be surprised at Nunes or Hannity
https://twitter.com/funder/status/1006719744962170...

To keep Davos happy, it should be pointed out that Dworkin worked on both Obamas campaign and s an ardent anti trump campaigner, often linked with the democratic campaign against trump. Again I weight this as low.

[Tampon]

frankenstein12 said:

I would always argue anyone to keep an open mind to all facts or theories regardless.

They form a part of a greater picture and often conspiracies/theories can prove to be true/real.

Edited by frankenstein12 on Saturday 16th June 11:50

What's new boss?

It is father's Day and I want in to the inner circle.

Biker28 you are out. Can't be bothered reading all your "number of sources" boring mate. Jog on.

Just me, croft and Frankenstein12. Team believe. #restist the resistance #cant prove a negative

You wackjob lefty virtue signallers. I am out.

Edited by Tampon on Sunday 17th June 08:29

[Byker28i]

China has announced retaliatory tariffs
The country’s Finance Ministry has announced it will issue import tariffs on 545 product categories. The $34 billion targeted by China is in retaliation to nearly $50 billion Trump targeted for product’s entering the United States on an annual basis.

The 25% tariff issued by the Chinese government includes everything from agricultural products, soybeans, corn, and wheat to beef, pork, poultry, and automobiles.

https://hillreporter.com/china-answers-trumps-trad...

Thats having an impact on soy bean prices, falling around 12%. The US sold $14 billion in soybeans to China last year, its top export market.

https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agric...

[Byker28i]

frankenstein12 said:

Byker28i said:

There's not a huge number, just that numbers are increasing again back to normal levels.
As a tactic, however distasteful, for a person without morals or in sessions case claims biblical rights, you can see the warped logic in it. Make it really unattractive to try to enter the US, but it is really distasteful, when some are claiming asylum. A lot of the parents are only charged with misdemeanours but still don't know where their children ar.

Two issues. Regardless of anything they are in the country illegally. That's where it begins and ends how they end up being caught is irrelevant.

Second if they are taken into custody and the kids are taken into one of these holding centres I would assume the parents are made aware of where their kids are and are given calls or visits

If not I would say that would be wrong. The kids and parents should be able to keep in touch by at least phone calls.

Even those seeking asylum are being treated as criminals under the new zero tolerance policy. The children are taken and then classed as unacommpanied minors and put into the system. The parents don't have access to a phone, nor any idea where their children are.

As a policy to discourage illegal entry it will probably work once publicised, but it has a very untasteful feel to it
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-im...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything...

[Byker28i]

Tampon said:

Biker28 you are out. Can't be bothered reading all your "number of sources" boring mate. Jog on.
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Pistonhead rules not to cut and paste from news sites, you have to provide links with a summary.

[Tampon]

Byker28i said:

Pistonhead rules not to cut and paste from news sites, you have to provide links with a summary.

I am not listening unless approved by the truth seekers Frankenstein or Croft. Sorry but they have convinced me with their substantive arguements to your researched facts.

[frankenstein12]

RobDickinson said:

Its evil fascism.

Trump blamed the democrats! Then aid it was a negotiating tool. Kids. In pens. taken from their parents. for no reason.

Sickening but what do you expect from the government that supports nazi groups

They don't support Nazis and they don't keep kids in pens. HTH

[paulguitar]

frankenstein12 said:

RobDickinson said:

Its evil fascism.

Trump blamed the democrats! Then aid it was a negotiating tool. Kids. In pens. taken from their parents. for no reason.

Sickening but what do you expect from the government that supports nazi groups

They don't support Nazis HTH

They don't exactly reject them either, and trump cleary admires dictators. He flatly refused to condemn Kim Jong Un's tendency to indulge in a bit of recreational murder.

[frankenstein12]

Byker28i said:

Even those seeking asylum are being treated as criminals under the new zero tolerance policy. The children are taken and then classed as unacommpanied minors and put into the system. The parents don't have access to a phone, nor any idea where their children are.

As a policy to discourage illegal entry it will probably work once publicised, but it has a very untasteful feel to it
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-im...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything...

OK so I have read most of that Vox article and I still side with Trump and his administration mostly on this.

He is working with what he has available to reduce illegal entry to the US.

It's not pretty and it seems there are many failings within the structure that need sorting out most importantly such as making sure parents and kids are accurately tracked and therefore able to stay in contact.

Harsh as it is he is doing the right thing albeit not entirely perfectly in part as ever to try get the Dems to work with him to change immigration law and allow him to build his wall.

Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 17th June 10:41

Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 17th June 10:42

[frankenstein12]

Byker28i said:

China has announced retaliatory tariffs
The country’s Finance Ministry has announced it will issue import tariffs on 545 product categories. The $34 billion targeted by China is in retaliation to nearly $50 billion Trump targeted for product’s entering the United States on an annual basis.

The 25% tariff issued by the Chinese government includes everything from agricultural products, soybeans, corn, and wheat to beef, pork, poultry, and automobiles.

https://hillreporter.com/china-answers-trumps-trad...

Thats having an impact on soy bean prices, falling around 12%. The US sold $14 billion in soybeans to China last year, its top export market.

https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agric...

But as a bonus cheaper soy for all the US "soyboys"

[frankenstein12]

paulguitar said:

They don't exactly reject them either, and trump cleary admires dictators. He flatly refused to condemn Kim Jong Un's tendency to indulge in a bit of recreational murder.

You must be terrible at negotiation. Trump has just met KJU and they flattered the crap out of each other and Kim agreed to dismantle his nuclear programme.

It would be idiotic of Trump to discuss or berate KJU behaviour to his people. Sometimes you have to lie to do good things rather than bad.

In this case nuclear disarmament outweighs all other things in short term.

[p1stonhead]

frankenstein12 said:

paulguitar said:

They don't exactly reject them either, and trump cleary admires dictators. He flatly refused to condemn Kim Jong Un's tendency to indulge in a bit of recreational murder.

You must be terrible at negotiation. Trump has just met KJU and they flattered the crap out of each other and Kim agreed to dismantle his nuclear programme.

It would be idiotic of Trump to discuss or berate KJU behaviour to his people. Sometimes you have to lie to do good things rather than bad.

In this case nuclear disarmament outweighs all other things in short term.

Except Kim played Trump like a fiddle. Got Trump to say it was an ‘honor’ to meet Kim indicating America looks up to NK, agreeing to getting rid of his nukes but with no details and getting him on camera saluting one of his generals. Trump looks like an easily led fool.

Then he said it was possible a murderous dictator could visit the White House

He has achieved nothing. NK have agreed to stop perusing nukes loads of times - 1985, 1992, 1994, 2005, 2007, 2012.....2018

[paulguitar]

frankenstein12 said:

paulguitar said:

They don't exactly reject them either, and trump cleary admires dictators. He flatly refused to condemn Kim Jong Un's tendency to indulge in a bit of recreational murder.

You must be terrible at negotiation.

I am not someone who has really done a great deal of negotiating, but I would suggest starting with a position of honesty in all matters in life is desirable. As to trump’s negotiating ‘skills’, he seems clueless, lost, lazy, and totally out of his depth.

[WestyCarl]

frankenstein12 said:

paulguitar said:

They don't exactly reject them either, and trump cleary admires dictators. He flatly refused to condemn Kim Jong Un's tendency to indulge in a bit of recreational murder.

You must be terrible at negotiation. Trump has just met KJU and they flattered the crap out of each other and Kim agreed to dismantle his nuclear programme.

It would be idiotic of Trump to discuss or berate KJU behaviour to his people. Sometimes you have to lie to do good things rather than bad.

In this case nuclear disarmament outweighs all other things in short term.

Negotiation, is that what Trump did? I though all that happened was that N. Korea agreed to things they agreed to before (with no timetable or verification) yet Trump stopped Military exercises immediately and legitimatized Kin Jon UN as a world leader.

Seems like Kim got the far better deal...........