45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
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Byker28i said:
The Karen McDougal story is doing the rounds again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/201...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/201...
Washington Post said:
All three women seem to have independently described meeting Trump in a Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow and having him come on to them.
Guess that answers the DNA question.Things are hotting up... someone’s going to be s
tting themselves.
Russians charged over US 2016 election tampering http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43092085
tting themselves.Russians charged over US 2016 election tampering http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43092085
Tillerson's speech in Turkey:
https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/9645195507073...
Still banging on about regime change in Syria which is a bit disappointing however he did at least have the balls to note that a commitment to democracy relies on a free press. The rest of it came across as 'We're best of friends and so have agreed to disagree on pretty much everything."
Going to be watching this closely because there are a lot of lives resting on Mr Tillerson's diplomatic skills.
https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/9645195507073...
Still banging on about regime change in Syria which is a bit disappointing however he did at least have the balls to note that a commitment to democracy relies on a free press. The rest of it came across as 'We're best of friends and so have agreed to disagree on pretty much everything."
Going to be watching this closely because there are a lot of lives resting on Mr Tillerson's diplomatic skills.
V6Pushfit said:
Things are hotting up... someone’s going to be stting themselves.
Russians charged over US 2016 election tampering http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43092085
it seems (as I have already said way before this) they didn't support any candidate "just" promoted division between Americanstting themselves.Russians charged over US 2016 election tampering http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43092085
and there is still no proof they did it on their government's behalf (although I believe there were people from government involved)
ferrisbueller said:
Whats obvious, what some thought as a strength that Trump was a businessman and not a politician, is that team Trump were totally unprepared and unexperienced for office.
probably because even they didn't believe he had any real chance to winTartan Pixie said:
Tillerson's speech in Turkey:
https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/9645195507073...
Still banging on about regime change in Syria which is a bit disappointing however he did at least have the balls to note that a commitment to democracy relies on a free press. The rest of it came across as 'We're best of friends and so have agreed to disagree on pretty much everything."
Going to be watching this closely because there are a lot of lives resting on Mr Tillerson's diplomatic skills.
Erdogan believes the coup was organized by american elements in Turkey, I doubt he'll trust USA again but we'll see. I think USA is fed up with him but they still need him on western side.https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/9645195507073...
Still banging on about regime change in Syria which is a bit disappointing however he did at least have the balls to note that a commitment to democracy relies on a free press. The rest of it came across as 'We're best of friends and so have agreed to disagree on pretty much everything."
Going to be watching this closely because there are a lot of lives resting on Mr Tillerson's diplomatic skills.
Interesting, charges brought against 13 Russians.
Russia-Trump inquiry: Russians charged over US 2016 election tampering http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43092085
Russia-Trump inquiry: Russians charged over US 2016 election tampering http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43092085
AreOut said:
it seems (as I have already said way before this) they didn't support any candidate
The Indictment said:
“Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates and by early to mid-2016, defendants’ operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J Trump (“Trump campaign”) and disparaging Hillary Clinton.”
Russia is in this for itself, whatever that takes. That's been acknowledged in these threads since the beginning, ever since the Trumpettes came up with the dumb question 'why would Russia support Trump?' Sanctions busting (what did happen to those sanctions Congress imposed again...?), money laundering, flexing its military muscle in Ukraine, Syria, etc - all supported or ignored by Trumpsky and his comrades.Why else would Russia have decided that the best way serving its own interests was to get Trump elected and keep him in power? With dividing and weakening America as a delightful bonus. These indictments show that that's that's where the bulk of their efforts went.
As for 'no proof that Russian government was involved' - yeah right.. The influencing of an election and the political destabilisation of the world's greatest superpower was and continues to be effected by a dozen private individuals working off their own bat with nothing obvious to gain. Sure
Note that Rosenstein's announcement was carefully worded - saying that 'this indictment does not allege collusion with US politicians or show that the efforts to influence the election worked' is not the same as saying those things did not happen. Those are yet to be adjudicated on officially, whatever Trump gleefully announced afterwards. Chances are there'll never be an answer to the latter, but the former is still very much a live issue that hasn't gone away.
Politico article said:
Supporters of the president have been quick to point out that the indictment does not allege purposeful cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Russians charged. Some, apparently including the president, have gone so far as to suggest that the indictment exonerates him, proving his frequent assertions of “no collusion.” It does nothing of the kind.
First, the indictment makes clear that some Trump campaign workers unwittingly worked with the Russian conspirators advancing this scheme, which is already a disturbing development. It also says that on repeated occasions the indicted individuals conspired with “persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury,” explicitly leaving open the possibility that others were involved.
More to the point, as elaborate as the charged scheme was, it is limited to one particular disinformation operation. The indictment does not even address many of the areas in which knowing cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia would most likely have occurred if it did occur. For instance, the indictment does not address the hacking of accounts belonging to the Democratic National Committee and others, nor does it address those who participated in the now infamous summer 2016 meeting in Trump Tower, apparently set up to obtain negative information about Hillary Clinton. The steady stream of pleas and indictments we have seen so far makes it only logical to conclude that there is more to come. We don’t know yet where it will all lead, but the trajectory seems to be closer and closer to the Trump campaign.
First, the indictment makes clear that some Trump campaign workers unwittingly worked with the Russian conspirators advancing this scheme, which is already a disturbing development. It also says that on repeated occasions the indicted individuals conspired with “persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury,” explicitly leaving open the possibility that others were involved.
More to the point, as elaborate as the charged scheme was, it is limited to one particular disinformation operation. The indictment does not even address many of the areas in which knowing cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia would most likely have occurred if it did occur. For instance, the indictment does not address the hacking of accounts belonging to the Democratic National Committee and others, nor does it address those who participated in the now infamous summer 2016 meeting in Trump Tower, apparently set up to obtain negative information about Hillary Clinton. The steady stream of pleas and indictments we have seen so far makes it only logical to conclude that there is more to come. We don’t know yet where it will all lead, but the trajectory seems to be closer and closer to the Trump campaign.
You are rambling now.
For over a year the Trump team have been yelling that there was no Russian involvement in the campaign.
They have also been yelling that there was no collusion.
Well, the first statement is no proved to be a total and complete lie - beyond any doubt.
The second part is still unproven but if the first charge is anything to go by, we know what the outcome will be.
For over a year the Trump team have been yelling that there was no Russian involvement in the campaign.
They have also been yelling that there was no collusion.
Well, the first statement is no proved to be a total and complete lie - beyond any doubt.
The second part is still unproven but if the first charge is anything to go by, we know what the outcome will be.
Eric Mc said:
You are rambling now.
For over a year the Trump team have been yelling that there was no Russian involvement in the campaign.
They have also been yelling that there was no collusion.
Well, the first statement is no proved to be a total and complete lie - beyond any doubt.
The second part is still unproven but if the first charge is anything to go by, we know what the outcome will be.
Yes there was Russian involvement. Big time. They have only said it was without American involvement and can’t say if it affected votes (as that’s probably impossible to determine).For over a year the Trump team have been yelling that there was no Russian involvement in the campaign.
They have also been yelling that there was no collusion.
Well, the first statement is no proved to be a total and complete lie - beyond any doubt.
The second part is still unproven but if the first charge is anything to go by, we know what the outcome will be.
The announcement was made to block Trump from stopping the other investigations which it is impossible for him do now.
Watched this video this morning which was interesting albeit biased - It claims that part of the indictment is communication between Russians and the Trump campaign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2pi2H8iYRo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2pi2H8iYRo
V6Pushfit said:
Yes there was Russian involvement. Big time. They have only said it was without American involvement and can’t say if it affected votes (as that’s probably impossible to determine).
The announcement was made to block Trump from stopping the other investigations which it is impossible for him do now.
Correct. They were very careful to say that THESE indictments do not concern American persons. We don't know how many as yet unsealed indictments have already been handed down or how many are yet to come. Meanwhile we have Flynn, Gates, Papadopolous and who knows who else fully co-operating with the special counsel.The announcement was made to block Trump from stopping the other investigations which it is impossible for him do now.
Your second point is also very valid and was mentioned here by many commentators last night. Mueller is no fool. Yesterday's disclosures make it almost impossible for Trump to try to stop the investigation.
A possible conduit for influence over trump is the 20million paid by Russians (linked to the Kremlin) to host the Miss Universe competition in Russia, I never came across this before until I saw mention of it in some twitter posts from Seth Abramson.
Trump says he sold Miss Uiverse for a record price but the financial details have never been disclosed so probably offloaded for a pittance.
My gut feeling is that post 2008 the trump organisation (and trumps personal fortune) we’re in desperate need of money. The president thing was a way to raise his profile and generate more exposure and income.
Trump says he sold Miss Uiverse for a record price but the financial details have never been disclosed so probably offloaded for a pittance.
My gut feeling is that post 2008 the trump organisation (and trumps personal fortune) we’re in desperate need of money. The president thing was a way to raise his profile and generate more exposure and income.
minimoog said:
Is it? Where did we say that then? Or did you just make that up to avoid talking about the fact that the current President of the United States is a Russian stooge?
I didn't say OK for you but for Mueller who didn't indict thousands of illegals meddling in US elections.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff