45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[Byker28i]

Interesting twitter account, https://twitter.com/AlferovaYulyaE?lang=en

Why her? Well, shes the ex-wife of Russian oligarch Artem Klyushin and a member of Trump's entourage in Moscow in 2013. Artem Klyushin is a oligarch close to the Agalarovs and a good friend of Konstantin Rykov, known as Moscow's biggest pimp. He also owned Crocus City Hall where the Miss World contest was held, Agalarov was the person believed to have offered prostitutes to Schiiler for Trump in Moscow and who told Forbes magazine that Trump had negotiated to build Moscow Trump tower. Agalarov and his son also told Russian media in 2013 that they were looking into other projects with Trump, potentially including a Trump Tower near Crocus City Hall, a project estimated as being worth up to $350 million.


Her twitter in Nov 2013 said: Waiting for your business to start in Russia, Mr. Trump
From that point onwards shes retweeting Trump and his praise for Putin and Russia

Then 22nd Jan 2014 she tweets:
I'm sure @realDonaldTrump will be great president! We'll support you from Russia! America needs ambitious leader!

He'd discussed with the russians about running for president?
29 march 2014 - why aren't you president yet?" A very good question!

So when the donald said yesterday in his tweet, that no-one knew he was running for president in 2015, did the russians appear to know in 2013

Trump also tweeted 11 Nov 2013

@AgalarovAras I had a great weekend with you and your family. You have done a FANTASTIC job. TRUMP TOWER-MOSCOW is next. EMIN was WOW!
8:39 AM - 11 Nov 2013
Emin is a reference to the music video he appeared in for Algorovs son, Emin.

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 18th February 15:49

[Escapegoat]

p1stonhead said:

Escapegoat said:

p1stonhead said:

I made it up

I don’t see those literal words and don’t know how to read between the lines. Stop being mean to Trump.

You’ll learn one day don’t worry.

It's your sort of nonsense that makes life so easy for AreOut/FCR, Breitbart, etc.

[Tartan Pixie]

Results from Tillerson's middle east sojourn:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWEl64tX4AAFpGG.jpg

$30bn pledged towards rebuilding Iraq, primarily in the form of loans with Turkey the single biggest contributor at $5bn.

No solid agreement on Manbij but Turkish and American diplomats have agreed that they should agree on something so are holding high level talks again in March.

ETA: Too much Turkish news is giving me an unreasonable fetish for the Otokar Cobra. Remove the turret then do up the interior a bit and I think you'd have a very nice camper van
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/modern/Turkey/ph...

Edited by Tartan Pixie on Sunday 18th February 21:53

[paulguitar]

Former Trump aide Rick Gates will plead guilty and has agreed to testify against Manafort.

[Eric Mc]

Pleads guilty to what?

[paulguitar]

'Fraud related charges'.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-rick-gat...

[Tartan Pixie]

A thought regarding Russian interference: How do we patch the vulnerability in our democracy that the Russians are exploiting?

If you're on this thread then you're probably a bit of a news junkie and will be aware of the concept of context, particularly the way news organisations love to take a quote or event out of context in order to push their own narrative. As news comes out about Russian trolling I suspect we're going to see a lot of this. To vaccinate myself against media bias I need to know the context in which Russian trolling is happening.

To this end it occurred to me that use of the phrase 'moderate rebels' to mean al qaeda affiliates or people otherwise using violent jihad to bring about sharia law is a verifiable lie that has an indecent level of presence in western media. This makes it a yardstick against which media disinformation can be measured. It is a lie that can be linked to specific foreign policy goals of our governments and traced back through the editorial system to source.

Of all the lies in the media I think this is the easiest one to gain metrics on? Perhaps you have a better suggestion?

If we have metrics then we can move forward.

[AreOut]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/9652567648...



it must be very hard for all these people to find out they actually attended protests organized by russian trolls

[Tartan Pixie]

AreOut said:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/9652567648...



it must be very hard for all these people to find out they actually attended protests organized by russian trolls

Quality

I think when the metrics are in neither left or right are going to be exempt from the shame of following false information, we've all been duped. If there is a bright spark in this it is that Britain has a history of being ahead of the pack with regard to information. The question is whether we can do it again.

[Countdown]

AreOut said:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/9652567648...



it must be very hard for all these people to find out they actually attended protests organized by russian trolls

Who were the organisers?

[minimoog]

Countdown said:

Who were the organisers?

I think AreOut is claiming that 4 days of 'Not My President' protest marches in NYC following the election of Trump were organised by the Russians. Else everyone would have stayed home.

Bless him.

[Byker28i]

"I never said Russia did not meddle in the election," said the donald this weekend.

That's funny as last november he said about Putin: “Every time he sees me he says, ‘I didn’t do that,’ and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it,"

[AreOut]

Mueller is claiming that not me

After the election of Donald Trump in or around November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies in support of then president-elect Trump, while simultaneously using other false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies protesting the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election. For example, in or around November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators organized a rally in New York through one ORGANIZATION-controlled group designed to "show your support for President-Elect Donald Trump" held on or about November 12, 2016. At the same time, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through another ORGANIZATION-controlled group, organized a rally in New York called "Trump is NOT my President" held on or about November 12, 2016. Similarly, Defendants and their co-conspirators organized a rally entitled "Charlotte Against Trump" in Charlotte, North Carolina, held on or about November 19, 2016.

[Byker28i]

The donald is claiming he didn't announce that he was running for president until 2015
Really?
Check his twitter from Jan 2013 onwards, after those meetings when russians started saying they'd support him. To ma ny tweets and retweets to mention...
http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive

May 12, 2013 05:04:23 PM "@CunninghamNY: . @realDonaldTrump clearly needs to run for president! Don't think anyone else can get us on the right track but him!" [Twitter for Android]
May 1, 2013 10:02:56 PM "@teaparty321: @realDonaldTrump if you run for president in 2016, I hope you talk about your success instead of hiding it." No doubt! [Twitter for Android]
Apr 26, 2013 09:36:39 PM "@Sam_Kotowski: Once again @realDonaldTrump does a great job on Fox News w/ Greta. Run for president! RT I'm a huge fan!!!" Thank you! [Twitter for Android]
Apr 23, 2013 09:42:31 PM "@craigdevlin: @realDonaldTrump @11SHEILA11 Please run for president, Jon Stewart would destroy you!" Jon (L) is not smart enough! [Twitter for Android]
Apr 23, 2013 08:35:41 PM "@11SHEILA11: @realDonaldTrump Why dont you just get in there and run for President? you got all our votes" Thanks! [Twitter for Android]
Apr 22, 2013 01:57:41 AM "@Shootar401: @realDonaldTrump You need to run for President and get this country back on the right track! Trump 2016" Thank you! [Twitter for Android]
Apr 19, 2013 08:31:36 PM "@alixandra_k: @realDonaldTrump I love you! Run for president and save this country!!!! #trumpforpresident" It needs saving! [Twitter for Android]
Apr 17, 2013 07:53:31 PM "@ILOVEBRITNEY_7: @realDonaldTrump could you run for president ? We need you!" We need someone! [Twitter for Android]
Apr 14, 2013 06:48:12 PM "@MSKIBBS1: @realDonaldTrump The only way we can save America in 2016 will be if you run for President." Thank you! [Twitter for Android]
Mar 28, 2013 06:57:01 AM "@avedders: @realDonaldTrump you're the man! You should run for president!" Thanks! [Twitter for Android]
Mar 28, 2013 05:55:30 AM "@CherylGravino: @realDonaldTrump I wish you had run for president! You are a very smart man!" Thanks Cheryl! [Twitter for Android]
Mar 28, 2013 05:25:31 AM "@coll4734: @realDonaldTrump Run for President and have David as your wing man." Cute! [Twitter for Android]
Mar 28, 2013 04:59:13 AM "@513pango: @realDonaldTrump please tell me you are going to run for president in 2016??" Thanks for the nice thoughts, Mike! [Twitter for Android]
Mar 23, 2013 05:06:45 PM "@JIMHENDLEY81: @realDonaldTrump I agree Donald Please run for president. Your alot smarter than Hillary. America needs you. Thanks! [Twitter for Android]
Mar 23, 2013 04:20:20 PM "@hailllluminati: @RealDonaldTrump better run for president in 2016 so i can vote for him. #conservativepride" Thanks! [Twitter for Android]
Mar 17, 2013 01:27:27 PM "@helen39639472: @realDonaldTrump I think that you should run for President and be elected to that office. Good luck in all you do. THANKS! [Twitter for Android]
Mar 7, 2013 10:57:42 PM "@No_Average_Joee: @realDonaldTrump you should run for president #genius #Trump2016" Thanks! [Twitter for Android]
Mar 2, 2013 10:42:40 PM "@smithg_: @realDonaldTrump should run for president next election RT #Trump4Prez" Thanks for such nice words. [Twitter for Android]
Feb 27, 2013 02:56:22 AM "@melissa7889: @realDonaldTrump @JRACKER33 you should run for president!" Thanks,very nice! [Twitter for Android]
Jan 25, 2013 03:27:39 PM Lots of people are asking whether or not I should have run for President—stay tuned for the answer. [Twitter Web Client]
Jan 25, 2012 11:26:15 AM My daughter Ivanka thinks I should run for President. Maybe I should listen. http://t.co/QW78vJja [Twitter Web Client]

[minimoog]

AreOut said:

Mueller is claiming that not me

After the election of Donald Trump in or around November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies in support of then president-elect Trump, while simultaneously using other false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies protesting the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election. For example, in or around November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators organized a rally in New York through one ORGANIZATION-controlled group designed to "show your support for President-Elect Donald Trump" held on or about November 12, 2016. At the same time, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through another ORGANIZATION-controlled group, organized a rally in New York called "Trump is NOT my President" held on or about November 12, 2016. Similarly, Defendants and their co-conspirators organized a rally entitled "Charlotte Against Trump" in Charlotte, North Carolina, held on or about November 19, 2016.

Quoting Mueller will always get you further than quoting that prick Prosobiec. Tip for the future.

[Byker28i]

Trump registered MAGA in 19 November 2012

[Eric Mc]

What does MAGA stand for?

[SHutchinson]

Byker28i said:

Trump registered MAGA in 19 November 2012

Not that long after the roasting he got at the White House Correspondents' dinner.

[Eric Mc]

SHutchinson said:

Byker28i said:

Trump registered MAGA in 19 November 2012

Not that long after the roasting he got at the White House Correspondents' dinner.

Which I think was a seminal moment in his decision to run for President. It was a massive own goal by the Washington elite.

[F1GTRUeno]

AreOut said:

Mueller is claiming that not me

After the election of Donald Trump in or around November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies in support of then president-elect Trump, while simultaneously using other false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies protesting the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election. For example, in or around November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators organized a rally in New York through one ORGANIZATION-controlled group designed to "show your support for President-Elect Donald Trump" held on or about November 12, 2016. At the same time, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through another ORGANIZATION-controlled group, organized a rally in New York called "Trump is NOT my President" held on or about November 12, 2016. Similarly, Defendants and their co-conspirators organized a rally entitled "Charlotte Against Trump" in Charlotte, North Carolina, held on or about November 19, 2016.

Not sure what the point you're trying to make is?

People were duped by fake accounts on both sides with the effect of ratcheting up discord and tension, we know that's true.

Given that the indictment indicates that the overwhelming majority of fake accounts backed Trump however...