45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
Discussion
Not-The-Messiah said:
And this is everything what's wrong with politics today. It's not about going against things, people or groups is about working with them to the best of your ability even if you don't agree with them or get on.
It's why we have Trump in the first place years and years of politicians going against people and not listening to them.
Trump is in a good position to negotiate with NRA. He's good for them and just like if you have a good employee you are far more likely to listen to them and give them perks and concessions you wouldn't normally give to others.
Now yes to be fair only time will tell if he's asks for them. It will all be a calculation for Trump regarding his support, pissing people off vs making people happy. If he think even if he please some they will still never vote for him I don't think he will do it. He's a politician now after all.
Sorry, what was that last paragraph intended to say?It's why we have Trump in the first place years and years of politicians going against people and not listening to them.
Trump is in a good position to negotiate with NRA. He's good for them and just like if you have a good employee you are far more likely to listen to them and give them perks and concessions you wouldn't normally give to others.
Now yes to be fair only time will tell if he's asks for them. It will all be a calculation for Trump regarding his support, pissing people off vs making people happy. If he think even if he please some they will still never vote for him I don't think he will do it. He's a politician now after all.
Eric Mc said:
A presidential pardon requires that guilt is established, I thought. Are they all willing to be tarnished?
No it does not. You can be pardoned for anything well before any guilt is established, Nixon was pardoned etc. What happens after you are pardoned is you loose your right to silence and the 5th amendment.
RobDickinson said:
No it does not. You can be pardoned for anything well before any guilt is established, Nixon was pardoned etc.
What happens after you are pardoned is you loose your right to silence and the 5th amendment.
So, you cannot defend yourself against the charge. Just like a person who has been found guilty in a court of law of that charge.What happens after you are pardoned is you loose your right to silence and the 5th amendment.
Can a person refuse to accept a pardon?
Eric Mc said:
So, you cannot defend yourself against the charge. Just like a person who has been found guilty in a court of law of that charge.
Can a person refuse to accept a pardon?
You can refuse the pardon afik it has been done.Can a person refuse to accept a pardon?
If you accept then you are no longer prosecutable for it, but you have to spill any beans. Which is why no one so far has been pardoned imo.
If someone close to Trump was to present a case where he could be seen to do something that Obama never managed to do the I am sure he would jump at it and tweet forever what great leadership is all about. Only has to be a minor concession - a set of rules that appears that only the good guys are seen to get their semi auto rifles in case they get attacked by a bear or for the shooting club or whatever. The NRA can make a big thing about how Trump persuaded them where Obama failed yet nothing really changes.
RobDickinson said:
Trump and gop are bought and paid for by nra. They won't bring in any gun control. Look at actions not words, the only action was to enable mentality ill people to buy guns.
The NRA as a group are beyond a parody. The ivory handle debacle last year is a great example of their absurd stances.One can only hope that the movement by the school-kids whose classmates were killed takes off and people vote.
Not-The-Messiah said:
From what I can tell having a quick look noticed no one have bothered to bring up the news that Trump is in favour of improvements in gun control.
This thread should be renamed
45TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP HATE THREAD. Because that's all it is.
He has a far better chance of getting gun more controls through than Obama ever did. His supporters are far more likely to listen to him. They may not be the very strong reforms but any improvement is better than none surely and be supported.
Although I wouldn't be surprised if Democrats vote against it saying some crap like "It's not good enough so we are not going to vote for it"
Would you explain how he's in favour of gun control, seeing as during his campaign he was heavily promoting the NRA and gun ownership line, constantly saying that if Clinton was elected she'd take everyones guns away?This thread should be renamed
45TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP HATE THREAD. Because that's all it is.
He has a far better chance of getting gun more controls through than Obama ever did. His supporters are far more likely to listen to him. They may not be the very strong reforms but any improvement is better than none surely and be supported.
Although I wouldn't be surprised if Democrats vote against it saying some crap like "It's not good enough so we are not going to vote for it"
Clinton was heavily pushing gun control: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence...
Is this because Sarah Huckabee Sanders has said Trump is open to improvements in federal background checks for prospective gun buyers? She's said several things before to smooth over things, thats her job.
They've yet to ban bump stocks, in fact the company that sells them had a President day sale with the discount code MAGA.
There's little prosecution or follow up if the records aren't updated, there's no automation of the ownership lists, everything is on paper.
Lets start by having a proper computer record of ownership, thats searchable by law enforcement agencies.
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 20th February 08:37
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 20th February 08:38
minimoog said:
You're not thinking of this are you? Because that's not him, despite it being claimed that it was at the time.
My mistake then, I haven't paid attention.LarryUSA said:
I can’t vouch for the information in the link below, but it states that the school is 40% Jewish.
“Personal accounts of students who attended high school with Cruz have pegged him as an anti-Semite. According to an individual who knew him*, he was actively hostile towards Jews, black people, and Muslims in particular throughout high school. In fact, multiple of the violent incidents he was expelled for were attacks against Jews.”
https://medium.com/@natalielifson/the-florida-doug...
Trump is 100% pro-Israel, I really doubt he was the supporter then (or very misinformed one maybe).“Personal accounts of students who attended high school with Cruz have pegged him as an anti-Semite. According to an individual who knew him*, he was actively hostile towards Jews, black people, and Muslims in particular throughout high school. In fact, multiple of the violent incidents he was expelled for were attacks against Jews.”
https://medium.com/@natalielifson/the-florida-doug...
AreOut said:
Trump is 100% pro-Israel,
Not quite 100% but yes heavily supported, pushed by Kushner and othersAreOut said:
I really doubt he was the supporter then (or very misinformed one maybe).
We could say they all are 
but then you've a president who seems to offer support to white supremacists, who they believe strongly that trump supports their views.paulguitar said:
Obama tried and was repeatedly thwarted by Congress. Trump has an opportunity simply not available to 44. I am willing to give him a chance with this one. If he is still in office, of course. Things are looking a little awkward with the Mueller inquiry...
Ignoring the distractions on policy that Trump will never pass, Obama did try to put out a statement warning the American people, but Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell threatened to publicly accuse Obama of playing political games and unfairly influencing the election.Mitch McConnell did take that money from the oligarch..
https://twitter.com/funder/status/8664280692754800...
coyft said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
This thread should be renamed
45TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP HATE THREAD. Because that's all it is.
Exactly, this thread supplies about the same amount of comedy as Trump's tweets. Keep it coming boys. 45TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP HATE THREAD. Because that's all it is.
"This is all going to go terribly wrong for the Clinton campaign.... Let's give it another few months."
AreOut said:
the guy had photos on instagram with communist symbols and allah akbar pictures as well
Another dumb question. I can't think how he would know their beliefs as it isn't like he went to school with them or anything... Oh wait.sugerbear said:
Dumb question. Because of their liberal beliefs. White supremacists are quite happy to kill anyone that isn't part of their tribe.
but how would he know about their beliefs? It's not like he did a survey...Bump stops are a distraction, jumped on by the media but don't allow a weapon to be fired any quicker* and don't make one a full auto
Lots of videos proving this on youtube like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1nqRcAsZAE
Better to focus on bump stops than asking why someone can buy 47 guns with no restrictions and take 23 into a hotel room and no one asks any questions
Lots of videos proving this on youtube like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1nqRcAsZAE
Better to focus on bump stops than asking why someone can buy 47 guns with no restrictions and take 23 into a hotel room and no one asks any questions
sugerbear said:
Another dumb question. I can't think how he would know their beliefs as it isn't like he went to school with them or anything... Oh wait.
sorry but there is no way all 50 of them had the same political beliefs (if any at that age), maybe we'll find out about his motivations later, he might speak about that in courtNice to see the donald got a round in on monday. He was so tetchy over the weekend without his usual couple of rounds
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/374577-new-york-...
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/374577-new-york-...
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