45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[RobDickinson]

Orly. How many democrats indicted or pleading guilty over all this? And this is a purely republican investigation too.

[minimoog]

frankenstein12 said:

The Steel dossier was the basis for the entire collusion narrative and investigation and I believe was used to obtain the fisa warrants that kicked it all off even though the FBI knew that it was dodgy info and paid for by the DNC.

Your belief is misplaced. The FISA warrants were obtained off the back of intel from an Australian diplomat regarding Papadopolus long before the Steele dossier surfaced. Even Nunes' own preposterous memo states that the FBI counterintelligence investigation was "triggered" by Papadopoulos in July 2016, months before the Carter Page FISA application was filed.

[BJG1]

Gameface said:

coyft said:

Gameface said:

coyft said:

minimoog said:

coyft said:

The job of a politician is to get elected and once elected to stay in power.

Call me a hopeless altruist but I'd prefer the job of a politician to be running the country in a way that benefits its citizens and hopefully the wider world. I know this is a pipe dream for the most part, but most politicians, in the western world at least, at least try to take this notion beyond baseball caps and dog whistle rhetoric in half-empty sports halls.

That's why I like Trump, there is no pretence.

Laugh all you like, but I think everyone knows what they are getting with Trump.

Oh I am laughing...

Oh come on, it's obvious that Coyft was referring to the fact that there's no real pretence with Trump in regard to how he sees the presidency (he wanted to be president, he got it) rather than that Trump is a person who never lies.

Context matters, the pretence we are discussing here is obviously in relation to the original statement: "The job of a politician is to get elected and once elected to stay in power. "

[frankenstein12]

RobDickinson said:

Orly. How many democrats indicted or pleading guilty over all this? And this is a purely republican investigation too.

None so far as I am aware YET but it doesnt exactly surprise me. As said the reality is it seems to me the democrats have a pretty firm hold across the board.

[BJG1]

Greg66 said:

Now the religious right have given Trump a mulligan over him screwing a porn actress, and boasting of pussy grabbing and God knows what else, but abortion? That’s pretty much murder in their eyes. If there’s truth in thus we may find out whether his boast about being able to shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave and not lose any support is true.

Sleep tight, ball washers!

*golf balls.

Well, given all throughout his election campaign the media made a a big deal about his previously liberal opinions, including his support for abortion and his supporters didn't bat a fking eyelid, I think we already know exactly how they'd react.

If Trump wakes up black or a woman then he'll have trouble with his base.

[RobDickinson]

Apart from a GOP 'controlled' president, congress and senate, and appointing the heads of all departments and balance of power on the supreme court etc? pointing the finger at the democrats is a total joke and cop out.

[minimoog]

frankenstein12 said:

None so far as I am aware YET but it doesnt exactly surprise me. As said the reality is it seems to me the democrats have a pretty firm hold across the board.

Robert Mueller—Republican
Attorney General—Republican
FBI Director—Republican
DAG Rosenstein—Republican
(4) FISA Judges—Republicans
Senate—Republican
House—Republican
Acting US Atty SDNY—Republican

[RobDickinson]

BUT HER EMAILS!

[frankenstein12]

RobDickinson said:

Apart from a GOP 'controlled' president, congress and senate, and appointing the heads of all departments and balance of power on the supreme court etc? pointing the finger at the democrats is a total joke and cop out.

I have no other explanation for why so many people who should be imo prosecuted or removed from office at the least have faced no sanction on the democratic side.

Doesnt make sense.

[frankenstein12]

Who wants to place a bet that what appears to be a fairly blatant smear campaign will result in no one being punished or forced to step down on the democrats side???

White house were given no time to respond to questions about Dr Jackson before Tester went public with the allegations against him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-hous...

[RobDickinson]

Its a conspiracy by those not in power!! wtf??

The Democrats play nice, they give the GOP so much room rather than sticking the knife in, every damned time they tiptoe around them and then the Republicans switch it right back on them forgetting their own part.

Lets take 'candy man' Ronny Jackson, who was given a part time physicians role in the WH which he abused, because of this its the democrats problem that he failed vetting for a full time executive position governing one of the largest organisations in the US? Thats utter bullst.

[BJG1]

RobDickinson said:

Its a conspiracy by those not in power!! wtf??

I think there is at least some validity in the idea of the 'Deep State' controlling an unhealthy amount - political power lies in more hands than those in office - in fact it lies almost entirely outside of it.

[RobDickinson]

BJG1 said:

RobDickinson said:

Its a conspiracy by those not in power!! wtf??

I think there is at least some validity in the idea of the 'Deep State' controlling an unhealthy amount - political power lies in more hands than those in office - in fact it lies almost entirely outside of it.

Oh Sure, but again the Republicans are the poster children for that, bought and paid for by oil companies, NRA etc. We've recently had a GOP leader saying that lobbying them and not paying wont get anywhere but paying certainly will, its legalised bribery and corruption and its championed by GOP.

[rscott]

BJG1 said:

RobDickinson said:

Its a conspiracy by those not in power!! wtf??

I think there is at least some validity in the idea of the 'Deep State' controlling an unhealthy amount - political power lies in more hands than those in office - in fact it lies almost entirely outside of it.

[p1stonhead]

rscott said:

BJG1 said:

RobDickinson said:

Its a conspiracy by those not in power!! wtf??

I think there is at least some validity in the idea of the 'Deep State' controlling an unhealthy amount - political power lies in more hands than those in office - in fact it lies almost entirely outside of it.

sums up these deep state morons.

[frankenstein12]

RobDickinson said:

BJG1 said:

RobDickinson said:

Its a conspiracy by those not in power!! wtf??

I think there is at least some validity in the idea of the 'Deep State' controlling an unhealthy amount - political power lies in more hands than those in office - in fact it lies almost entirely outside of it.

Oh Sure, but again the Republicans are the poster children for that, bought and paid for by oil companies, NRA etc. We've recently had a GOP leader saying that lobbying them and not paying wont get anywhere but paying certainly will, its legalised bribery and corruption and its championed by GOP.

And its one of the primary things I had hoped Trump would work hard to stamp out if he got into office.

I mean we have it here in the UK albeit with slightly lower sums of money and its impact is a bit lessened due to regulations but lobbyists are toxic to democratic process.

[Halb]

Lentilist said:

Jane Mayer's "Dark Money" is well worth a read in that regard. Would also recommend analysis of the Powell Memorandum and its influence. The chap who produces the Attack Ads! podcast did a fascinating series of episodes dissecting the later and how deep into US politics its tendrils reach. Undoubtedly comes from a specific political viewpoint that many on PH won't share (but Soros!), but it's very well researched and referenced.

ta!

[Eric Mc]

frankenstein12 said:

And its one of the primary things I had hoped Trump would work hard to stamp out if he got into office.

I mean we have it here in the UK albeit with slightly lower sums of money and its impact is a bit lessened due to regulations but lobbyists are toxic to democratic process.

Anybody who really believed that Trump was going to be the person to take the pork out of pork barrel politics was, and I am being very restrained here, naive in the extreme.

Trump is turning out to be Hogmeister Extrordinaire with lots of little piggy wiggies snuffling in his wake.

[IJB1959]

p1stonhead said:

rscott said:

BJG1 said:

RobDickinson said:

Its a conspiracy by those not in power!! wtf??

I think there is at least some validity in the idea of the 'Deep State' controlling an unhealthy amount - political power lies in more hands than those in office - in fact it lies almost entirely outside of it.

sums up these deep state morons.

The Rockefeller's are the ones REALLY in control.

[Eric Mc]

They've been in charge ever since this song was in the charts -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXIoEl53T-I