45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
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- Speeling was never my strong pointByker28i said:
We were told he was a great businessman, that he's run the country successfully. Looks more like he's running it as one of his businesses. Borrow lots with no idea how to pay it back, it's someone elses problem.
Has he ever run a truly successful business? The list of failures is ridiculously long.He's dragging the world down; any subsequent president will have a ruddy difficult time sorting out the crap that Trump has caused.
Byker28i said:
Have we talked about Trumps budget plan yet?
On the Campaign trail he consistently talked about the $19Trillion debt, saying it was unacceptable and how he was great, the best at dealing with debt (yup donald, by declaring bankruptcy and running away from it).
He's given massive tax cuts, reducing the countries income.
His new suggested budget infrastructure raises heavily spending on the military whilst ignoring the cyberwar that russia is winning.
His suggested budget would add $1trillion to the debt alone in 2019, increase it by about $10Trillion over the next 8 years if the optimistic and unrealistic economic growth rate of 3 percent is reached, above the currently projected 1.9 percent.
Even then it's a huge range of cuts, the EPA would get cut by a third and many, many more social programs.
There's a good list of the cuts here:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/...
His $1.5Trillion infrastructure projects will only get $200Billion, with the rest expected to come from private investment. Even then to pay for that he's proposing a 25c tax on fuel costs as theres no money left following the massive tax cuts. Everything in the US is delivered by road. It's a huge mobile country so this will hit the middle-class, working-class and working-poor Americans the hardest.
We were told he was a great businessman, that he's run the country successfully. Looks more like he's running it as one of his businesses. Borrow lots with no idea how to pay it back, it's someone elses problem.
are the dems talking about it? if it's that bad they should make headwayOn the Campaign trail he consistently talked about the $19Trillion debt, saying it was unacceptable and how he was great, the best at dealing with debt (yup donald, by declaring bankruptcy and running away from it).
He's given massive tax cuts, reducing the countries income.
His new suggested budget infrastructure raises heavily spending on the military whilst ignoring the cyberwar that russia is winning.
His suggested budget would add $1trillion to the debt alone in 2019, increase it by about $10Trillion over the next 8 years if the optimistic and unrealistic economic growth rate of 3 percent is reached, above the currently projected 1.9 percent.
Even then it's a huge range of cuts, the EPA would get cut by a third and many, many more social programs.
There's a good list of the cuts here:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/...
His $1.5Trillion infrastructure projects will only get $200Billion, with the rest expected to come from private investment. Even then to pay for that he's proposing a 25c tax on fuel costs as theres no money left following the massive tax cuts. Everything in the US is delivered by road. It's a huge mobile country so this will hit the middle-class, working-class and working-poor Americans the hardest.
We were told he was a great businessman, that he's run the country successfully. Looks more like he's running it as one of his businesses. Borrow lots with no idea how to pay it back, it's someone elses problem.
clonmult said:
Byker28i said:
We were told he was a great businessman, that he's run the country successfully. Looks more like he's running it as one of his businesses. Borrow lots with no idea how to pay it back, it's someone elses problem.
Has he ever run a truly successful business? The list of failures is ridiculously long.He's dragging the world down; any subsequent president will have a ruddy difficult time sorting out the crap that Trump has caused.
clonmult said:
Byker28i said:
We were told he was a great businessman, that he's run the country successfully. Looks more like he's running it as one of his businesses. Borrow lots with no idea how to pay it back, it's someone elses problem.
Has he ever run a truly successful business? The list of failures is ridiculously long.He's dragging the world down; any subsequent president will have a ruddy difficult time sorting out the crap that Trump has caused.
I don't understand, yet, what the true gamechangers are which would be irreversible and how those would compare to changes in the past such as the early 90's de-regulation of the banks which AIUI caused huge problems which we're still enduring. There needs to be a monumental shift in economic policies to offset the gap between top and bottom of society and placate the discontented.
ferrisbueller said:
He's not doing anything so bad that it's alienating his voters. We'll see the delta soon enough in midterms.
You say that, yet they've lost 36 seats now in special state elections and senate elections to the democrats. Wisconsin state senate in January, the dems made up lots of points over where trump won. They've just won in floridahttps://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/democr...
In the 74 special elections for both state legislatures and Congress across the country since Trump won that they tracked, Democrats performed, on average, 11 points better than they did in those areas in the 2016 presidential election.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/17/...
Halb said:
are the dems talking about it? if it's that bad they should make headway
Why would it make headway? It's a carbon copy of what millions of republican / conservative voters spout on the internet. They will keep voting for it and when it doesn't work they will blame immigrants, lefties and urban elites for any adverse effects.SECTORAL BALANCES MUST SUM TO ZERO. THE ONLY EFFECT OF REDUCING THE GOVERNMENT DEFICIT THROUGH POPULIST RIGHT WING ECONOMICS IS TO SHIFT THE DEFICIT TO THE HOUSEHOLD SECTOR MEANING THE VOTER WILL GO BUST LONG BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT RUNS A SURPLUS.
Sorry for shouting but I've lost count of the number of times I've made this point on these forums. The 'Reasons why I shouldn't vote for Theresa May' thread at the last general election was particularly instructive to me regarding the lengths people will go to in order to ignore the evidence in front of them if it doesn't fit their political beliefs.
The idea that dogmatically following a right wing economic agenda is on the same level of economic vandalism as dogmatically following a left wing agenda is anathema to anyone who doesn't look at the numbers, take time to crunch them, and then change their vote according to the specific economic circumstances of that election. How many people do you know who do this? Also, where the heck is Lisa Simpson when we need her?
Edited by Tartan Pixie on Thursday 15th February 11:14
Looking back on history you'll see the republicans do it every time they aren't in power. Attack the deficit when in opposition and then give tax cuts when in and run up the deficit. Regan did it, Bush senior did it. Bush said "read my lips no more taxes" then had to raise taxes and was voted out.
It's no surprise Trump is doing it and the republicans are going along with it, but yes I'd expect more to come from the democrats in the midterms.
The current wins seem to be from those floating voters who went to trump now drifting back.
It's no surprise Trump is doing it and the republicans are going along with it, but yes I'd expect more to come from the democrats in the midterms.
The current wins seem to be from those floating voters who went to trump now drifting back.
Byker28i said:
ferrisbueller said:
He's not doing anything so bad that it's alienating his voters. We'll see the delta soon enough in midterms.
You say that, yet they've lost 36 seats now in special state elections and senate elections to the democrats. Wisconsin state senate in January, the dems made up lots of points over where trump won. They've just won in floridahttps://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/democr...
In the 74 special elections for both state legislatures and Congress across the country since Trump won that they tracked, Democrats performed, on average, 11 points better than they did in those areas in the 2016 presidential election.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/17/...
ferrisbueller said:
Byker28i said:
ferrisbueller said:
He's not doing anything so bad that it's alienating his voters. We'll see the delta soon enough in midterms.
You say that, yet they've lost 36 seats now in special state elections and senate elections to the democrats. Wisconsin state senate in January, the dems made up lots of points over where trump won. They've just won in floridahttps://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/democr...
In the 74 special elections for both state legislatures and Congress across the country since Trump won that they tracked, Democrats performed, on average, 11 points better than they did in those areas in the 2016 presidential election.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/17/...
House seats are going to the democrats, there's been a few solid wins in staunch republican areas.
It's the big question, at which point does he become a liability, whats the tipping point.
Approval ratings seems to have settled around the mid 30's, it's low but not dropping. Floating voters, those tripped by comeys letter etc, those disillusioned will drift back, thats normal for any midterm election, but the republicans should be concerned they'll lose control of one of the houses.
Then there's what ever Mueller does
Shakermaker said:
liner33 said:
No way Oprah would ever run due to her shady past and private life
The fact that she did say she wasn't planning on running ought to be a good indicator as well. Trump on why he doesnt want to be president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8wJc7vHcTs
Gameface said:
That's what amazed me about Trump running.
Anyone (with a brain) as dodgy as him would shun the scrutiny being president brings.
His collosal ego (and hatred of Obama) overruled any concerns he might have had.
There's also the persuasive theory that he had no intention or expectation of winning and just did it for the ego stroke and money making opportunities the publicity would have brought. Anyone (with a brain) as dodgy as him would shun the scrutiny being president brings.
His collosal ego (and hatred of Obama) overruled any concerns he might have had.
minimoog said:
Gameface said:
That's what amazed me about Trump running.
Anyone (with a brain) as dodgy as him would shun the scrutiny being president brings.
His collosal ego (and hatred of Obama) overruled any concerns he might have had.
There's also the persuasive theory that he had no intention or expectation of winning and just did it for the ego stroke and money making opportunities the publicity would have brought. Anyone (with a brain) as dodgy as him would shun the scrutiny being president brings.
His collosal ego (and hatred of Obama) overruled any concerns he might have had.
But even running brings scrutiny on your finances and campaign fund sources that someone like him should run a mile from, if he had any sense.
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