45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
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[quote=The Dangerous Elk
If the schools are protected (more than one Deputy) with more force (Nat Guard ?) then will not the problem will transfer to the Church/Football games/Eat-Outs etc ?
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More spree shootings happen outside schools, 25% or so happen in education establishments. Biggest at nearly 50% is commercial, such as employees shooting other employees etc.
If the schools are protected (more than one Deputy) with more force (Nat Guard ?) then will not the problem will transfer to the Church/Football games/Eat-Outs etc ?
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More spree shootings happen outside schools, 25% or so happen in education establishments. Biggest at nearly 50% is commercial, such as employees shooting other employees etc.
Manafort is still protesting his innocence as gates pleads guilty. Trump must have promised or suggested a pardon because of what he knows?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43164325
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43164325
In regards to assault rifle bullet injuries as mentioned above I read the Bloody Sunday Inquiry and although they did not put in all the information on the autopsy reports on the people shot the overview descriptions of the injuries of the SLR 7.62mm rifles were horrific. Once the high velocity round hits you it just keeps going till it escapes. One person was shot from the bottom all the way through the trunk to the shoulder before it exited. Such is a battlefield weapon designed to do. I know the 5.56mm does not pack so much of a punch, but it's all relative.
Why do they need AR-15s for the 2nd amendment?
Apparently AR-15s are actually extreme toys
http://www.silencersuperstore.com/
Machine guns and silencers too. Lets roll....
Why do they need AR-15s for the 2nd amendment?
Apparently AR-15s are actually extreme toys
http://www.silencersuperstore.com/
Machine guns and silencers too. Lets roll....
Byker28i said:
Manafort is still protesting his innocence as gates pleads guilty. Trump must have promised or suggested a pardon because of what he knows?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43164325
Pardons won't help trump. Once pardoned you can't claim silence. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43164325
Gandahar said:
In regards to assault rifle bullet injuries as mentioned above I read the Bloody Sunday Inquiry and although they did not put in all the information on the autopsy reports on the people shot the overview descriptions of the injuries of the SLR 7.62mm rifles were horrific. Once the high velocity round hits you it just keeps going till it escapes. One person was shot from the bottom all the way through the trunk to the shoulder before it exited. Such is a battlefield weapon designed to do. I know the 5.56mm does not pack so much of a punch, but it's all relative.
Why do they need AR-15s for the 2nd amendment?
Apparently AR-15s are actually extreme toys
http://www.silencersuperstore.com/
Machine guns and silencers too. Lets roll....
An ex-Army colleague of mine says the 5.56mm round is designed to incapacitate rather than kill because you then add the burden of looking after the wounded on to your enemy.Why do they need AR-15s for the 2nd amendment?
Apparently AR-15s are actually extreme toys
http://www.silencersuperstore.com/
Machine guns and silencers too. Lets roll....
It is designed to stop/drop the target and incapacitate. A round that stops within the target transfers all of its energy into the target.
The main damage is caused by a round of that velocity is the shock wave generated which liquifies the flesh around it, hence the small hole in and a massive exit wound (or the internal damage if it does not exit the body).
It is also lighter and has less recoil resulting in a lighter weapon and carry/ammunition supply weight. The rate of fire is also increased as is the accuracy over time due to the reduced fatigue on the shooter. More rounds can be loaded into magazines again increasing the rate of fire.
The main damage is caused by a round of that velocity is the shock wave generated which liquifies the flesh around it, hence the small hole in and a massive exit wound (or the internal damage if it does not exit the body).
It is also lighter and has less recoil resulting in a lighter weapon and carry/ammunition supply weight. The rate of fire is also increased as is the accuracy over time due to the reduced fatigue on the shooter. More rounds can be loaded into magazines again increasing the rate of fire.
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Friday 23 February 23:12
The Dangerous Elk said:
It is designed to stop/drop the target and incapacitate. A round that stops within the target transfers all of its energy into the target.
The main damage is caused by a round of that velocity is the shock wave generated which liquifies the flesh around it, hence the small hole in and a massive exit wound (or the internal damage if it does not exit the body).
It is also lighter and has less recoil resulting in a lighter weapon and carry/ammunition supply weight. The rate of fire is also increased as is the accuracy over time due to the reduced fatigue on the shooter. More rounds can be loaded into magazines again increasing the rate of fire.
We were discussing the choice of weapons used by our guards and how we could educate them not to shoot at critical equipment around site when they pointed out that any incursion is likely to involve people armed with ak47's and its better for our people to shoot them with 5.56 without thinking too much about what's behind, than have terrorists opening up with 7.62 rounds which can penetrate much deeper.The main damage is caused by a round of that velocity is the shock wave generated which liquifies the flesh around it, hence the small hole in and a massive exit wound (or the internal damage if it does not exit the body).
It is also lighter and has less recoil resulting in a lighter weapon and carry/ammunition supply weight. The rate of fire is also increased as is the accuracy over time due to the reduced fatigue on the shooter. More rounds can be loaded into magazines again increasing the rate of fire.
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Friday 23 February 23:12
Just a shame I didn't get to see the RPG tests
OK. The designated teacher, who only a select few would know is carrying a concealed weapon, would have responded to, located, targetted and shot dead the attacker before he'd got a shot off.
Wondrous. Truly.
I wonder whether there can be enough momentum in the social movement to make a difference http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43173753
Would Trump/GoP flip on the NRA et al and what would the crucial deciding factor be? He's dug in pretty hard on the one side now so it's hard to see a U-turn but is there a point at which guns becomes toxic at a level that just can't be sustained if you want to stay in power.
Wondrous. Truly.
I wonder whether there can be enough momentum in the social movement to make a difference http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43173753
Would Trump/GoP flip on the NRA et al and what would the crucial deciding factor be? He's dug in pretty hard on the one side now so it's hard to see a U-turn but is there a point at which guns becomes toxic at a level that just can't be sustained if you want to stay in power.
NRA is now losing some financial support - www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/101737121/companies...
Halmyre said:
An ex-Army colleague of mine says the 5.56mm round is designed to incapacitate rather than kill because you then add the burden of looking after the wounded on to your enemy.
Exactly that! Taxes the whole chain back to rear echelon, in extracting and supporting the wounded; in any kind of honourable foe, anyway...So obvs, sim calibre, semi -auto 'modern sports rifles' ahem, are the obvious first choice in 'home defence' then...
[grinding teeth at the too-obvious idiocies, too-often excused in the US for such utter s
te: but it is their choice, and Sandy Hook essentially set the tone - 'hell, yeah, a few dozen children & teechers dead is well worth keepin' all ma' 2nd Amendment rights for... 'n tha NRA said so ' Let the dead bury the dead...]RobDickinson said:
Byker28i said:
Manafort is still protesting his innocence as gates pleads guilty. Trump must have promised or suggested a pardon because of what he knows?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43164325
Pardons won't help trump. Once pardoned you can't claim silence. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43164325
Halmyre said:
An ex-Army colleague of mine says the 5.56mm round is designed to incapacitate rather than kill because you then add the burden of looking after the wounded on to your enemy.
Well then he's wrong. Speaking as someone who worked on the switchover from SLR to SA-80, it was all about killing and having the same ammo as other Nato forces. The velocity of the round and the way it goes through a body is much more damaging than the old SLR 7.62mm round. There was a lot of testing on pigs at Porton Down...Whoever said Trump would change things (areout?) was wrong. Trump is repeating the NRA line, backed by his favourable media, of crazy person, mentally deranged, we need mental laws, not gun laws. Harden the schools, why should everywhere else have armed guards yet not the children. Won't somebody think of the children!
Wayne LaPierre made the speech at CPAC and Trump repeated every point virtually verbatim.
The youth need to own this, as the next voters, to force NRA supporting legislators out, to build the momentum that enough is enough and something needs to be done, to change attitudes.
Wayne LaPierre made the speech at CPAC and Trump repeated every point virtually verbatim.
The youth need to own this, as the next voters, to force NRA supporting legislators out, to build the momentum that enough is enough and something needs to be done, to change attitudes.
Byker28i said:
Halmyre said:
An ex-Army colleague of mine says the 5.56mm round is designed to incapacitate rather than kill because you then add the burden of looking after the wounded on to your enemy.
Well then he's wrong. Speaking as someone who worked on the switchover from SLR to SA-80, it was all about killing and having the same ammo as other Nato forces. The velocity of the round and the way it goes through a body is much more damaging than the old SLR 7.62mm round. There was a lot of testing on pigs at Porton Down...The Dangerous Elk said:
Byker28i said:
Halmyre said:
An ex-Army colleague of mine says the 5.56mm round is designed to incapacitate rather than kill because you then add the burden of looking after the wounded on to your enemy.
Well then he's wrong. Speaking as someone who worked on the switchover from SLR to SA-80, it was all about killing and having the same ammo as other Nato forces. The velocity of the round and the way it goes through a body is much more damaging than the old SLR 7.62mm round. There was a lot of testing on pigs at Porton Down...Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff