45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
Discussion
Mannafort has yet another charge filed against him, new charges connected to secret payments to European politicians
https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
The full documents of Gates guilty plea deal are out
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/23/17045484/gates-plea-...
https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
The full documents of Gates guilty plea deal are out
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/23/17045484/gates-plea-...
Byker28i said:
It was never about incapacitate.
Correct, but the calibre and standard weights have that effect whichever way you look at it. I agree the development was primarily about weapon control/weight and thus improved user capability. (a practice effectively started/first deployed by the "kurtz" rounds in WW2)
Byker28i said:
Mannafort has yet another charge filed against him, new charges connected to secret payments to European politicians
https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
The full documents of Gates guilty plea deal are out
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/23/17045484/gates-plea-...
Everything Mueller is doing here seems to be aimed at applying pressure on Manafort. If Manafort flips how long does Trump survive?https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
The full documents of Gates guilty plea deal are out
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/23/17045484/gates-plea-...
Fittster said:
If you are pissed off IT contractor (e.g. most of the people on NPE) you can write a post on the internet blaming all the failures you encounter on the political left. What you can't do is going into a supermarket, buy a gun and start killing people. Unless you are already moving in criminal circles your chances of getting a gun on the black market are low.
This makes society a safer place. The only downside is a few people have to find a new hobby.
Not really.This makes society a safer place. The only downside is a few people have to find a new hobby.
I decided I wanted to take up shooting and within 2 weeks and a £50 fee I had a licence to go out and buy as many shotguns and cartridges as I wanted.
Some friends of mine have Shotguns, numerous Rifles of various calibers from .22 to 'Crack a car engine block at 1km' type things. They also have black powder guns, muzzle loaders, modified .44 Magnums and all sorts of things.
You can even make and load your own ammo at home very freely and legally in the UK.
Even travelling around with guns isn't hard either. You can legally go away to stay at people houses and hotels with your guns. You can leave guns locked in the boot of your car if you need to. You just need to take sensible and reasonable precautions.
People who say you "can't really have guns" over here is talking absolute nonsense. You have loads of choice and it isn't particularly difficult.
What we do have though, is sensible laws, sensible checks, and various other things in place to ensure that our gun ownership is carefully regulated and this greatly minimises the risks to the general public.
As a gun owner, I would say that our current gun laws are as close to perfect as can be practical.
You will always get some people (and I know a couple) who are still furious that the government took their handguns off them 20 years ago and told them they couldn't keep a loaded pistol at home in their bedside drawer or whatever, but these people are generally oddballs who dress in Camouflage clothing and think they are a member of the Special Forces, so we can cheerfully ignore them.
Lord Marylebone said:
Not really.
I decided I wanted to take up shooting and within 2 weeks and a £50 fee I had a licence to go out and buy as many shotguns and cartridges as I wanted.
Some friends of mine have Shotguns, numerous Rifles of various calibers from .22 to 'Crack a car engine block at 1km' type things. They also have black powder guns, muzzle loaders, modified .44 Magnums and all sorts of things.
You can even make and load your own ammo at home very freely and legally in the UK.
Even travelling around with guns isn't hard either. You can legally go away to stay at people houses and hotels with your guns. You can leave guns locked in the boot of your car if you need to. You just need to take sensible and reasonable precautions.
People who say you "can't really have guns" over here is talking absolute nonsense. You have loads of choice and it isn't particularly difficult.
What we do have though, is sensible laws, sensible checks, and various other things in place to ensure that our gun ownership is carefully regulated and this greatly minimises the risks to the general public.
As a gun owner, I would say that our current gun laws are as close to perfect as can be practical.
You will always get some people (and I know a couple) who are still furious that the government took their handguns off them 20 years ago and told them they couldn't keep a loaded pistol at home in their bedside drawer or whatever, but these people are generally oddballs who dress in Camouflage clothing and think they are a member of the Special Forces, so we can cheerfully ignore them.
Yeah, I think we've got a good balance; I'm even happy enough to lose the handguns (except in NI) as a sacrifice to a relatively safe society bar the odd gangbanger, but they were great fun. I decided I wanted to take up shooting and within 2 weeks and a £50 fee I had a licence to go out and buy as many shotguns and cartridges as I wanted.
Some friends of mine have Shotguns, numerous Rifles of various calibers from .22 to 'Crack a car engine block at 1km' type things. They also have black powder guns, muzzle loaders, modified .44 Magnums and all sorts of things.
You can even make and load your own ammo at home very freely and legally in the UK.
Even travelling around with guns isn't hard either. You can legally go away to stay at people houses and hotels with your guns. You can leave guns locked in the boot of your car if you need to. You just need to take sensible and reasonable precautions.
People who say you "can't really have guns" over here is talking absolute nonsense. You have loads of choice and it isn't particularly difficult.
What we do have though, is sensible laws, sensible checks, and various other things in place to ensure that our gun ownership is carefully regulated and this greatly minimises the risks to the general public.
As a gun owner, I would say that our current gun laws are as close to perfect as can be practical.
You will always get some people (and I know a couple) who are still furious that the government took their handguns off them 20 years ago and told them they couldn't keep a loaded pistol at home in their bedside drawer or whatever, but these people are generally oddballs who dress in Camouflage clothing and think they are a member of the Special Forces, so we can cheerfully ignore them.
andy_s said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Not really.
I decided I wanted to take up shooting and within 2 weeks and a £50 fee I had a licence to go out and buy as many shotguns and cartridges as I wanted.
Some friends of mine have Shotguns, numerous Rifles of various calibers from .22 to 'Crack a car engine block at 1km' type things. They also have black powder guns, muzzle loaders, modified .44 Magnums and all sorts of things.
You can even make and load your own ammo at home very freely and legally in the UK.
Even travelling around with guns isn't hard either. You can legally go away to stay at people houses and hotels with your guns. You can leave guns locked in the boot of your car if you need to. You just need to take sensible and reasonable precautions.
People who say you "can't really have guns" over here is talking absolute nonsense. You have loads of choice and it isn't particularly difficult.
What we do have though, is sensible laws, sensible checks, and various other things in place to ensure that our gun ownership is carefully regulated and this greatly minimises the risks to the general public.
As a gun owner, I would say that our current gun laws are as close to perfect as can be practical.
You will always get some people (and I know a couple) who are still furious that the government took their handguns off them 20 years ago and told them they couldn't keep a loaded pistol at home in their bedside drawer or whatever, but these people are generally oddballs who dress in Camouflage clothing and think they are a member of the Special Forces, so we can cheerfully ignore them.
Yeah, I think we've got a good balance; I'm even happy enough to lose the handguns (except in NI) as a sacrifice to a relatively safe society bar the odd gangbanger, but they were great fun. I decided I wanted to take up shooting and within 2 weeks and a £50 fee I had a licence to go out and buy as many shotguns and cartridges as I wanted.
Some friends of mine have Shotguns, numerous Rifles of various calibers from .22 to 'Crack a car engine block at 1km' type things. They also have black powder guns, muzzle loaders, modified .44 Magnums and all sorts of things.
You can even make and load your own ammo at home very freely and legally in the UK.
Even travelling around with guns isn't hard either. You can legally go away to stay at people houses and hotels with your guns. You can leave guns locked in the boot of your car if you need to. You just need to take sensible and reasonable precautions.
People who say you "can't really have guns" over here is talking absolute nonsense. You have loads of choice and it isn't particularly difficult.
What we do have though, is sensible laws, sensible checks, and various other things in place to ensure that our gun ownership is carefully regulated and this greatly minimises the risks to the general public.
As a gun owner, I would say that our current gun laws are as close to perfect as can be practical.
You will always get some people (and I know a couple) who are still furious that the government took their handguns off them 20 years ago and told them they couldn't keep a loaded pistol at home in their bedside drawer or whatever, but these people are generally oddballs who dress in Camouflage clothing and think they are a member of the Special Forces, so we can cheerfully ignore them.
Even if the government wanted to tighten up the current laws slightly, I would agree with that. My hobby is not more important than the safety of the public.
unrepentant said:
Byker28i said:
Mannafort has yet another charge filed against him, new charges connected to secret payments to European politicians
https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
The full documents of Gates guilty plea deal are out
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/23/17045484/gates-plea-...
Everything Mueller is doing here seems to be aimed at applying pressure on Manafort. If Manafort flips how long does Trump survive?https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
The full documents of Gates guilty plea deal are out
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/23/17045484/gates-plea-...
I get the feeling Mannafort truly believes Trump will come through with a pardon, or he's hanging on trying for an even better plea deal than Gates got, but then I think he's got more to lose. It's said Trump kept in regular contact with Mannafort. Gates was with team trump right up until the inauguration, so probably has a lot of the dirt.
Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 24th February 14:57
Now why would Dana Rohrabacher be trying to broker a deal for Julian Assange. He asserts it would be in exchange for information proving russia wasn't the source of the DNC hacked material. An interesting idea seeing as the intelligence agencies have said it was russian hackers.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-congressman-sough...
Strange his name has come up again, as it was mentioned as part of Gates new charges, and as part of him lying to the FBI earlier this month about a meeting on 19 March 2013 between Manafort, an unnamed lobbyist, and an unnamed member of Congress, which is said to be Dana Rohrabacher. based on Mannaforts filings in 2017, and discussions about russia and Ukraine
https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/rick-gates-mue...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dana-rohraba...
He's always been pro russia, regarded highly by the kremlin
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/us/politics/dan...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-congressman-sough...
Strange his name has come up again, as it was mentioned as part of Gates new charges, and as part of him lying to the FBI earlier this month about a meeting on 19 March 2013 between Manafort, an unnamed lobbyist, and an unnamed member of Congress, which is said to be Dana Rohrabacher. based on Mannaforts filings in 2017, and discussions about russia and Ukraine
https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/rick-gates-mue...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dana-rohraba...
He's always been pro russia, regarded highly by the kremlin
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/us/politics/dan...
Eric Mc said:
It's like being hit by a locomotive doing 100 mph.
I saw an MSNBC report saying that the muzzle velocity of the bullet as it leaves the barrel of the AR-15 is 2,182 mph. It doesn't bear thinking about what being hit by a projectile travelling at that speed would do to you.
It will just cause a flesh wound,you can carry on as before; that must be true, it's in all the Hollywood movies!I saw an MSNBC report saying that the muzzle velocity of the bullet as it leaves the barrel of the AR-15 is 2,182 mph. It doesn't bear thinking about what being hit by a projectile travelling at that speed would do to you.
ferrisbueller said:
....and the movement behind the gun protests looks to be gaining traction. Interesting times.
I hope it doesnt get taken over by political idiots for theor own ends , but actually has some force behind itkowalski655 said:
ferrisbueller said:
....and the movement behind the gun protests looks to be gaining traction. Interesting times.
I hope it doesnt get taken over by political idiots for theor own ends , but actually has some force behind itA number of organisations now severing ties with the NRA. Interesting to see what that $40 annual membership actually opened up to members in terms of discounted travel and suchlike.
The NRA will be banking on it blowing over. The White House will be looking for some other issue to come up and cause a distraction. I think Trump's approach to the situation hasn't been the smartest from a strategic point of view.
ferrisbueller said:
The White House will be looking for some other issue to come up and cause a distraction.
Already working on it so it seems. Trump on North Korea on Friday:"If the sanctions don't work we'll have to go to phase two. Phase two may be a very rough thing. May be very, very unfortunate for the world.”
ferrisbueller said:
Consumer power is especially potent when it comes to teens apparently.
A number of organisations now severing ties with the NRA. Interesting to see what that $40 annual membership actually opened up to members in terms of discounted travel and suchlike.
Interesting, that might actually do it. Corporate america is a great backer...until it isn't. A number of organisations now severing ties with the NRA. Interesting to see what that $40 annual membership actually opened up to members in terms of discounted travel and suchlike.
Dem Counter-memo to the Nunes' memo released by Schiff
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/ig/ig00/20180205/10...
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/ig/ig00/20180205/10...
Byker28i said:
Mannafort has yet another charge filed against him, new charges connected to secret payments to European politicians
https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
Just read this document- Jeeees! https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
The man is a complete crook. He would be looking at 25 years surley without plea bargaining so he should be squealing without a problem I would have thought.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Sunday 25th February 07:52
Lord Marylebone said:
Not really.
I decided I wanted to take up shooting and within 2 weeks and a £50 fee I had a licence to go out and buy as many shotguns and cartridges as I wanted.
Some friends of mine have Shotguns, numerous Rifles of various calibers from .22 to 'Crack a car engine block at 1km' type things. They also have black powder guns, muzzle loaders, modified .44 Magnums and all sorts of things.
You can even make and load your own ammo at home very freely and legally in the UK.
Even travelling around with guns isn't hard either. You can legally go away to stay at people houses and hotels with your guns. You can leave guns locked in the boot of your car if you need to. You just need to take sensible and reasonable precautions.
People who say you "can't really have guns" over here is talking absolute nonsense. You have loads of choice and it isn't particularly difficult.
What we do have though, is sensible laws, sensible checks, and various other things in place to ensure that our gun ownership is carefully regulated and this greatly minimises the risks to the general public.
As a gun owner, I would say that our current gun laws are as close to perfect as can be practical.
You will always get some people (and I know a couple) who are still furious that the government took their handguns off them 20 years ago and told them they couldn't keep a loaded pistol at home in their bedside drawer or whatever, but these people are generally oddballs who dress in Camouflage clothing and think they are a member of the Special Forces, so we can cheerfully ignore them.
That sounds similar to Australia. I know several people who shoot deer, and one who loves his black -powder rifles. All legal.I decided I wanted to take up shooting and within 2 weeks and a £50 fee I had a licence to go out and buy as many shotguns and cartridges as I wanted.
Some friends of mine have Shotguns, numerous Rifles of various calibers from .22 to 'Crack a car engine block at 1km' type things. They also have black powder guns, muzzle loaders, modified .44 Magnums and all sorts of things.
You can even make and load your own ammo at home very freely and legally in the UK.
Even travelling around with guns isn't hard either. You can legally go away to stay at people houses and hotels with your guns. You can leave guns locked in the boot of your car if you need to. You just need to take sensible and reasonable precautions.
People who say you "can't really have guns" over here is talking absolute nonsense. You have loads of choice and it isn't particularly difficult.
What we do have though, is sensible laws, sensible checks, and various other things in place to ensure that our gun ownership is carefully regulated and this greatly minimises the risks to the general public.
As a gun owner, I would say that our current gun laws are as close to perfect as can be practical.
You will always get some people (and I know a couple) who are still furious that the government took their handguns off them 20 years ago and told them they couldn't keep a loaded pistol at home in their bedside drawer or whatever, but these people are generally oddballs who dress in Camouflage clothing and think they are a member of the Special Forces, so we can cheerfully ignore them.
Gandahar said:
Why do they need AR-15s for the 2nd amendment?
Because the 2nd amendment is also about protecting you from the Government (because Governments can be corrupt, which is why Amendments were sorted out in the first place) so whilst you don't need an AR15 to protect you from a burglar (a shotgun would be a far better weapon in close quarters due to spread), any personal cqb defence weapon won't protect you from soldiers.mehmehmeh said:
Gandahar said:
Why do they need AR-15s for the 2nd amendment?
Because the 2nd amendment is also about protecting you from the Government (because Governments can be corrupt, which is why Amendments were sorted out in the first place) so whilst you don't need an AR15 to protect you from a burglar (a shotgun would be a far better weapon in close quarters due to spread), any personal cqb defence weapon won't protect you from soldiers.V6Pushfit said:
Byker28i said:
Mannafort has yet another charge filed against him, new charges connected to secret payments to European politicians
https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
Just read this document- Jeeees! https://www.justice.gov/file/1038741/download
The man is a complete crook. He would be looking at 25 years surley without plea bargaining so he should be squealing without a problem I would have thought.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Sunday 25th February 07:52
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