45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

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Byker28i

60,295 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Old Man Fred said:
kowalski655 said:
Obama turned down the woman KK is pleading for 3 times, so of course Trump will pardon her.
Wonder if he tried to grab Kim by the pussy?
Trump has pardoned someone, but not a woman. I don't know anything about Dinesh D’Souza...

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Will be giving a Full Pardon to Dinesh D’Souza today. He was treated very unfairly by our government!

ETA - it starts to become clearer now..

"In 2012, D'Souza released his film 2016: Obama's America, an anti-Obama polemic based on his 2010 book The Roots of Obama's Rage
On May 20, 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one charge of using a "straw donor" to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign"

So someone that makes illegal campaign donations and hates Obama, now why would Trump want to pardon him???
Dinesh D’Souza was convicted of one of the crimes Michael Cohen is under investigation for, campaign finance fraud. Impossible to view this as anything other than a “stay strong“ message from Trump to Cohen, especially given the timing as millions of items from his burner phones and documents were handed over to prosecutors yesterday

Byker28i

60,295 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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DMN said:
Trump imposes steel and aluminum tariffs on the European Union, Canada and Mexico

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?desti...


But trade wars are easy to win right (except that one with China he is losing); and this isn't the first time America has tried and failed with the EU:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_s...
This is going to get interesting. Eu will respond, trumps doing all he can to break the US bonds with all its partners, over everything. Putin must be loving this.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

78 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Hard for the Eu to cry over this with their/our record of using trarrifs as protection for their/our markets ?

Tartan Pixie

2,208 posts

148 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Byker28i said:
Economy
As a candidate, trump promised his policies would generate sustained 4% annual economic growth.
After he became president the White House promised 3%
Yesterday his administration reported 1st quarter 2018 growth of 2.2%
A car will go round corners faster if you lower the suspension.
An economy will grow if you cut taxes.

What these two statements have in common is that they are correct for a specific set of circumstances. If you take a standard golf and get an expert to lower it a bit then it can be made to go round a corner faster, but if you keep lowering the suspension you'll end up with a slammed monstrosity. Similarly if you have a bottleneck in your economy a tax break can help relieve it but if you cut taxes on everything then all you end up with is a short term boost followed by inflation, broken fiscal multipliers and no money for essential services.

Republican voters are the economic equivalent of slammed corsa chevy owners who claim their car is amazing at cornering.

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Taxes have an optimum level where the benefits of having a secure, healthy, well educated and well connected population puts more money in our pocket than it takes out. When was the last time you saw a media organisation of any political leaning spell this out with a well researched cost/benefit analysis?

If all the voters are fed is "Lower taxes!!!" from one side of the media and "Better public services!!!" from the other then is it a wonder that public finances are such a stshow? I genuinely despair at this stuff but I'm not going to single out Trump for it, the problem is ingrained right through our media and political sphere and he's just another asshole for the bullst to come out of.

Tartan Pixie

2,208 posts

148 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Byker28i said:
DMN said:
Trump imposes steel and aluminum tariffs on the European Union, Canada and Mexico

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?desti...


But trade wars are easy to win right (except that one with China he is losing); and this isn't the first time America has tried and failed with the EU:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_s...
This is going to get interesting. Eu will respond, trumps doing all he can to break the US bonds with all its partners, over everything. Putin must be loving this.
You know what would be useful right now? A well staffed and capable state department that could reach out and make deals in order to achieve the objectives that Trump's trade war is trying to achieve... I mean this trade war does have clear and achievable objectives doesn't it?... Oh.

Byker28i

60,295 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Interesting. Anything to do with the huge loans made to trump?

Byker28i

60,295 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Byker28i

60,295 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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coyft said:
Byker28i said:
coyft said:
FFS.

The last time he worked with Manafort was 2011. How does that connect him to the Trump campaign?


rolleyes
Are you ignoring the work he did for him then in 2016 based on the Ukraine Campaign? As late as September 2016 according to the court documents
He actually was jailed for lying to the FBI over his work with Mannafort and Rick Gates and a business associate based in Ukraine in September 2016, while the Trump campaign operation was in full swing.

Gates and Zwann worked plea deals, Zwann so good he got 30 days in jail rather than a possible 5 years
I'm not ignoring anything.

Zwann didn't do any work for Manafort in 2016, I'm not sure where you've got your information from.

The statement of offence can be found here:-
https://www.justice.gov/file/1036406/download

Can you explain how Zwann was connected to Trump or his campaign?
Lol that just shows how you can't read, and it's been explained many times how a lawyer involved and communicating with both a trump campaign aide and trumps campaign manager are connected, especially when his sentance is commuted to thirty days s because of the information he could provide.

Try reading the sentencing, how he knew and assisted gates in communicating with person a, Kilimnik, Mannaforts partner and Russian spy, during the campaign in 2016
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4424937-Se...

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 31st May 18:21

Byker28i

60,295 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Read the above, sorry just edited with the link.
But you're the one saying no collusion, no interference, trump hasn't been getting cash for access or favourable policies.

When he has.

Byker28i

60,295 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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I really should take my own advice and ignore the obvious troll

McCain family still haven't their apology
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/meg...

Byker28i

60,295 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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I know I. Said I fired comey over Russia last year, but believe me I didn't fire comey over Russia. Politico should just call it lying...
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/31/trump-tw...

Tartan Pixie

2,208 posts

148 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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coyft said:
Deutsche Bank US business put on federal problem bank list.

"The FDIC’s “problem banks” are those with financial, managerial or operational weaknesses that endanger their financial viability."

https://www.ft.com/content/5be91bca-634b-11e8-90c2...
Non paywall link - http://archive.is/yDFAN

Interesting link, thanks. I suspect this is a hole of Deutsche's own digging rather than anything overtly political but it's pressure added to the pile.

Byker28i said:
Interesting. Anything to do with the huge loans made to trump?
Unlikely, they were hit with a $14Bn dollar fine for their part in selling the CDO's (mortgage backed securities) that helped crash the system in 2008. IIRC the fine was reduced to about $7Bn when regulators realised that the original fine would have sunk the bank completely and there's been questions over its capitalisation since but I'd have to look up the details. (Note it is only the American arm of Deutsche that has been put on the naughty list, I'm not sure which part of the bank was fined but presume that was the American arm too.)

I imagine that the last thing Trump wants is authorities looking in to Deutsche and the last thing Deutsche want is awkward questions about Russian money.

Tony33

1,125 posts

123 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Tartan Pixie said:
A car will go round corners faster if you lower the suspension.
An economy will grow if you cut taxes.

What these two statements have in common is that they are correct for a specific set of circumstances. If you take a standard golf and get an expert to lower it a bit then it can be made to go round a corner faster, but if you keep lowering the suspension you'll end up with a slammed monstrosity. Similarly if you have a bottleneck in your economy a tax break can help relieve it but if you cut taxes on everything then all you end up with is a short term boost followed by inflation, broken fiscal multipliers and no money for essential services.

Republican voters are the economic equivalent of slammed corsa chevy owners who claim their car is amazing at cornering.

<><><>

Taxes have an optimum level where the benefits of having a secure, healthy, well educated and well connected population puts more money in our pocket than it takes out. When was the last time you saw a media organisation of any political leaning spell this out with a well researched cost/benefit analysis?

If all the voters are fed is "Lower taxes!!!" from one side of the media and "Better public services!!!" from the other then is it a wonder that public finances are such a stshow? I genuinely despair at this stuff but I'm not going to single out Trump for it, the problem is ingrained right through our media and political sphere and he's just another asshole for the bullst to come out of.
Great post.

_dobbo_

14,402 posts

249 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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coyft said:
I know you'll accuse me of trolling, but he has never said he fired Comey because of the Russian investigation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wvuw_Zmubg
Didn’t he?

“And in fact when I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, “You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”

Just do it is fire Comey, for context. His own words.

_dobbo_

14,402 posts

249 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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This is a good thing right? Bigly good?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4432022...

Trump ramping up them trade wars

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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coyft said:
I know you'll accuse me of trolling, but he has never said he fired Comey because of the Russian investigation.

Full interview here for those open minded enough to view it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wvuw_Zmubg
Oh. I see. You think Trump is honest.

Well, that certainly makes life for you a bit different.

If you're actually prepared to believe what Trump says, especially on the subject of his own self-interest, that is not what most sane people would describe as "open minded".

Byker28i

60,295 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Taped recordings.

Cohen thinks he's a mobster?
"I'm warning you, tread very f***ing lightly because what I'm going to do to you is going to be f***ing disgusting. Do you understand me? Don't think you can hide behind your pen."

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/31/615843930/listen-ho...

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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It's difficult to know what Trump means because he rambles and often contradicts himself in the same breath. He's taken every position on pretty much every topic possible.

He's literally impossible to deal with.

Tartan Pixie

2,208 posts

148 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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EU Press release regarding American sanctions: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4006_en...

Less than 24hrs after Trump's announcement the EU have:
Legal proceedings due to be launched at the WTO on 1st June (tomorrow).
A monitoring system already in place for imports of steel and aluminum to flag up issues as they arise.
Retaliatory tariffs already lodged with the WTO on the 18th May so they can be legally enacted on 18th June.
A commitment to implement as yet undefined safeguard measures for industries affected by the tariffs.

Someone's on the ball.

DeejRC

5,825 posts

83 months

Friday 1st June 2018
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On the ball?

They (EU, Canada & Mexico) were given notice in March (I think) when they "won" an exemption to the tariff introduction set for June 1st, so everyone knows they have been coming. The US chap has been over in Paris for the last few days trying to reach a settlement with the EU to avoid said tariffs and it all came to nothing. Everybody has had their press and WTO briefs prepped for the last 2 months. All of this is very well known.

It is certainly an interesting one. Provoking trade wars to "realign" some of the trade imbalances following a period of loud vitriolic public bluster is already an established tactic with the Trump White House (see China) and could be said to have been somewhat effective. The question on the domestic front is effective economically or effective politically?

On an international front it should be noted with some trepidation that the EU is pretty rubbish at trade wars and trading settlements, whereas America has traditionally been very good at them.

I personally dont see a way this goes well for the EU from a trade perspective, equally thought I dont see a way it goes well for The Donald from a political perspective. A short sharp trade war will do sod all to rebuild America's steel industry which is the driver for the whole vote winning policy thing. It has to be a long term entrenched State policy before you will get to see any benefits of it.

The one plus side is that far from the British steel industry worrying about all this, somebody should be on the blower talking about a bespoke UK agreement, no tariffs, etc once Brexit happens etc and we get an exemption sorted. I suspect that requires more imagine than Govts have though.
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