45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
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Tartan Pixie said:
EU Press release regarding American sanctions: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4006_en...
Less than 24hrs after Trump's announcement the EU have:
Legal proceedings due to be launched at the WTO on 1st June (tomorrow).
A monitoring system already in place for imports of steel and aluminum to flag up issues as they arise.
Retaliatory tariffs already lodged with the WTO on the 18th May so they can be legally enacted on 18th June.
A commitment to implement as yet undefined safeguard measures for industries affected by the tariffs.
Someone's on the ball.
Whilst trump is putting sanctions on former allies, Last month trump relaxed sanctions on Russian aluminium giant Rusal, owned by oligarch oleg deripaska.Less than 24hrs after Trump's announcement the EU have:
Legal proceedings due to be launched at the WTO on 1st June (tomorrow).
A monitoring system already in place for imports of steel and aluminum to flag up issues as they arise.
Retaliatory tariffs already lodged with the WTO on the 18th May so they can be legally enacted on 18th June.
A commitment to implement as yet undefined safeguard measures for industries affected by the tariffs.
Someone's on the ball.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/trump...
This just happens to be the same Deripaska that was reported to be the link to Putin, via Kiliminik,Gates and Mannafort, with emails showing Mannafort was in communication with Kilimnik (Russian intelligence officer), offering 'briefings'during the campaign. It was lying about this and destroying evidence about this that got Zwann charged and jailed.
What a coincidence...
RobDickinson said:
It's difficult to know what Trump means because he rambles and often contradicts himself in the same breath. He's taken every position on pretty much every topic possible.
He's literally impossible to deal with.
It’s how he gets away with so much, and the WH just spins it as he didn’t mean it, or it’s not what he said. He's literally impossible to deal with.
Gameface said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
get used to it because carping about it is useless.
So we can't discuss it on a discussion forum?
k is going on in the investigation is of absolutely no consequence! America has just slapped on trade tariffs on its most important strategic allies over the last 60yrs and 90% of the posts are STILL about Trump being investigated for being Trump!
A trade war has an impact. Trump being an immoral fibber and pussy grabber doesn’t. Unless you think morals are more important than money at an international relations level, in which case you are an idiot. You may be a much nicer person than me, but you are still an idiot.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Gameface said:
You said carping about it is useless, suggesting it's not worth discussing.
Nope, I said it was useless, it is up to you and others to decide for yourselves if there is any point not me. I can see how this thread is so long 
Did the donald write Melania's last tweet?
“I see the media is working overtime speculating where I am & what I’m doing. Rest assured, I’m here at the White House w my family, feeling great, & working hard on behalf of children & the American people!”
It's not the first time he's used the phrase 'the media is working overtime'. In fact he used it again yesterday
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?”
“I see the media is working overtime speculating where I am & what I’m doing. Rest assured, I’m here at the White House w my family, feeling great, & working hard on behalf of children & the American people!”
It's not the first time he's used the phrase 'the media is working overtime'. In fact he used it again yesterday
“The corrupt Mainstream Media is working overtime not to mention the infiltration of people, Spies (Informants), into my campaign! Surveillance much?”
The steel import tariffs?
Having been reading about this this morning, and recognising the appeal to Rust Belt voters, there has to be some reason why the EU, Canada & Mexico supply the amount of steel that they do to the US.
Is it one of a lack of capacity in their domestic market? Is it about quality, where the standards are met / not met in certain places or is it as simple as price?
Is there also a dimension about unionised labour?
There must be more to this than simply ‘because Donald says...’
I read Trudeau’s comments about Canada being insulted, in effect, by the national security argument.
Having been reading about this this morning, and recognising the appeal to Rust Belt voters, there has to be some reason why the EU, Canada & Mexico supply the amount of steel that they do to the US.
Is it one of a lack of capacity in their domestic market? Is it about quality, where the standards are met / not met in certain places or is it as simple as price?
Is there also a dimension about unionised labour?
There must be more to this than simply ‘because Donald says...’
I read Trudeau’s comments about Canada being insulted, in effect, by the national security argument.
Skywalker said:
The steel import tariffs?
Having been reading about this this morning, and recognising the appeal to Rust Belt voters, there has to be some reason why the EU, Canada & Mexico supply the amount of steel that they do to the US.
Is it one of a lack of capacity in their domestic market? Is it about quality, where the standards are met / not met in certain places or is it as simple as price?
Is there also a dimension about unionised labour?
There must be more to this than simply ‘because Donald says...’
I read Trudeau’s comments about Canada being insulted, in effect, by the national security argument.
US smelters operated at a little over 40% capacity last year, they want to get it to 80%. It also takes a lot of power to produce, so there's a knock on there, half the power used was by coal fueled power stations.Having been reading about this this morning, and recognising the appeal to Rust Belt voters, there has to be some reason why the EU, Canada & Mexico supply the amount of steel that they do to the US.
Is it one of a lack of capacity in their domestic market? Is it about quality, where the standards are met / not met in certain places or is it as simple as price?
Is there also a dimension about unionised labour?
There must be more to this than simply ‘because Donald says...’
I read Trudeau’s comments about Canada being insulted, in effect, by the national security argument.
But then trump has Pruitt dismantling the EPA anyway
10% duty on Canada, the largest supplier to the US, 25% on EU, but relax sanctions on russian aluminium, the second largest supplier to the US.
Are we looking at a new super-duper power, US and Russia combined?
Croyft, genuine question, do you deliberately attempt to immitate Trumps 'misdirection' techniques or do you not realise you are doing it?
Since Byker posted the court papers categorically showing the link between Manafort and Van der Zwaan you have not mentioned it yet post about the trade deal, Trumps new focus on his campaign and the firing of Comey which is very similar to Trump firing off tweets whenever something negative is happening to him
As i say this is not a personal attack, just a question
Since Byker posted the court papers categorically showing the link between Manafort and Van der Zwaan you have not mentioned it yet post about the trade deal, Trumps new focus on his campaign and the firing of Comey which is very similar to Trump firing off tweets whenever something negative is happening to him
As i say this is not a personal attack, just a question
DeejRC said:
But it’s not being discussed. It’s just carping. Not a single thing being “discussed” on this thread has moved on in a single way in the last 10 months. Yes - Trump is Trump and everything that implies. We know, we have always known this. Whinging about it or raking through the minutiae of whatever the fk is going on in the investigation is of absolutely no consequence!
America has just slapped on trade tariffs on its most important strategic allies over the last 60yrs and 90% of the posts are STILL about Trump being investigated for being Trump!
A trade war has an impact. Trump being an immoral fibber and pussy grabber doesn’t. Unless you think morals are more important than money at an international relations level, in which case you are an idiot. You may be a much nicer person than me, but you are still an idiot.
This is why Trump won and why he might win a second term. The media went into overdrive about what a scumbag/racist/misogynist the guy was without picking at his policies nearly as much. Like someone above said using the suspension/tax cut analogy.k is going on in the investigation is of absolutely no consequence! America has just slapped on trade tariffs on its most important strategic allies over the last 60yrs and 90% of the posts are STILL about Trump being investigated for being Trump!
A trade war has an impact. Trump being an immoral fibber and pussy grabber doesn’t. Unless you think morals are more important than money at an international relations level, in which case you are an idiot. You may be a much nicer person than me, but you are still an idiot.
When he does something that makes one question his competence, he just tweets something provocative and the cycle starts again.
Maybe Teresa May should start throwing pejoratives around and winding up lefties to distract from her own problems.
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