45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
Discussion
El stovey said:
I’ve played this game with him.
Next he’ll ask you who you think he is. Then report you when you answer him.
Then go back to calling you all snowflakes.
NEVER had another nameNext he’ll ask you who you think he is. Then report you when you answer him.
Then go back to calling you all snowflakes.
Carry on
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The Dangerous Elk said:
LOL, points out pointless carping gets attacked, as said, take your pick but if you are happy with it, just call me Mr Trump
Carping about the same thing every day, day after day, round and round, and then the tariff move by Trump comes as a surprise ?
Time to question yourselves chaps.
Trump does this every time, shouts, gathers his support, shouts more, sends a team which get ignored by the likes of the Eu team, then acts. The world is blinkered by their hate for him and then is shocked by the result ?
None but the blind. Dislike him all you like (which I do very much) but really can you not just accept this is his method and he CAN influence the game and its rules.
You know exactly what the threads about. (Because you’ve been here for years and been banned from previous trump threads) Carping about the same thing every day, day after day, round and round, and then the tariff move by Trump comes as a surprise ?
Time to question yourselves chaps.
Trump does this every time, shouts, gathers his support, shouts more, sends a team which get ignored by the likes of the Eu team, then acts. The world is blinkered by their hate for him and then is shocked by the result ?
None but the blind. Dislike him all you like (which I do very much) but really can you not just accept this is his method and he CAN influence the game and its rules.
Why on earth do you keep going on it and trying to tell people what they can talk about?
Zod said:
I'm not remotely surprised; Trump is an idiot who acts on a whim and doesn't listen to advice.
For Trump, this is actually quite astute. Despite reality having taught the last republican president that this is folly, this kind of move panders to his supporter base, unemployed hicks who believe that brown skinned foreigners have turked all the jerbs in 'Murica. Of course, despite there being plenty of jobs available in the US these people aren't rushing out to get one.El stovey said:
You know exactly what the threads about. (Because you’ve been here for years and been banned from previous trump threads)
Why on earth do you keep going on it and trying to tell people what they can talk about?
Yet you keep going on with a fake claim ? > Never had another name, do you not understand this ?Why on earth do you keep going on it and trying to tell people what they can talk about?
I am discussing Trump, his actions, what can be expected. I have said constant carping about little details is quite pointless. Totally different
Please post the quote where I have said "you can not/should not talk about anything"
Carry on, with the hope of addressing what the orange one does.
Off to do some work, laters chum
The Dangerous Elk said:
Can you not read then ?
Select a bit, ignore a bit, carp about the selected bit and despite the written proof ignore the selected bit.
Let me ask again, why are you surprised by the tariff move ?
If you can find me expressing surprise about that, I'll send you a free banana.Select a bit, ignore a bit, carp about the selected bit and despite the written proof ignore the selected bit.
Let me ask again, why are you surprised by the tariff move ?
DeejRC said:
Gameface said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
get used to it because carping about it is useless.
So we can't discuss it on a discussion forum?
k is going on in the investigation is of absolutely no consequence! America has just slapped on trade tariffs on its most important strategic allies over the last 60yrs and 90% of the posts are STILL about Trump being investigated for being Trump!
A trade war has an impact. Trump being an immoral fibber and pussy grabber doesn’t. Unless you think morals are more important than money at an international relations level, in which case you are an idiot. You may be a much nicer person than me, but you are still an idiot.
and of course Trump is not concerned with the impact outside of America. Italy is looking more likely to leave the EU within a few years to be followed by Spain, Greece? Good time to invest in gold perhaps, big trouble on short horizon.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Yet you keep going on with a fake claim ? > Never had another name, do you not understand this ?
Shortly after joining PH, you posted a comment wondering when the usual lefties would jump in and shout "racist".Doesn't that seem a bit unlikely for someone who hadn't been here before?
Nothing particularly new here, more a collection of existing materials: https://us.cnn.com/2018/05/31/politics/donald-trum...
Shines a light on one of Trump's favourite verbal ticks though: "lots of people are talking about it".
Shines a light on one of Trump's favourite verbal ticks though: "lots of people are talking about it".
Byker28i said:
US smelters operated at a little over 40% capacity last year, they want to get it to 80%. It also takes a lot of power to produce, so there's a knock on there, half the power used was by coal fueled power stations.
There's an interesting "Long game" possibility here, that could occur:The US increases it's reliance on internal resource, and leverages that for cheap products. For say 15 to 20 years it does very well indeed.
But, because it has all these cheap resources no money is spent on developing a secure future supply chain. In 2038 the "clean" coal runs out. The US has little or no renewable assets, and suddenly faces an energy crisis like no other. The EU and China, supported by a robust renewable energy resource say "sorry, we can't help" having been victims of the 2018 trade war, and the US experiences another 1920's style crash, except this time, with a much larger (and softer) population......
DeejRC said:
On the ball?
They (EU, Canada & Mexico) were given notice in March (I think) when they "won" an exemption to the tariff introduction set for June 1st, so everyone knows they have been coming. The US chap has been over in Paris for the last few days trying to reach a settlement with the EU to avoid said tariffs and it all came to nothing. Everybody has had their press and WTO briefs prepped for the last 2 months. All of this is very well known.
It is certainly an interesting one. Provoking trade wars to "realign" some of the trade imbalances following a period of loud vitriolic public bluster is already an established tactic with the Trump White House (see China) and could be said to have been somewhat effective. The question on the domestic front is effective economically or effective politically?
On an international front it should be noted with some trepidation that the EU is pretty rubbish at trade wars and trading settlements, whereas America has traditionally been very good at them.
I personally dont see a way this goes well for the EU from a trade perspective, equally thought I dont see a way it goes well for The Donald from a political perspective. A short sharp trade war will do sod all to rebuild America's steel industry which is the driver for the whole vote winning policy thing. It has to be a long term entrenched State policy before you will get to see any benefits of it.
The one plus side is that far from the British steel industry worrying about all this, somebody should be on the blower talking about a bespoke UK agreement, no tariffs, etc once Brexit happens etc and we get an exemption sorted. I suspect that requires more imagine than Govts have though.
They (EU, Canada & Mexico) were given notice in March (I think) when they "won" an exemption to the tariff introduction set for June 1st, so everyone knows they have been coming. The US chap has been over in Paris for the last few days trying to reach a settlement with the EU to avoid said tariffs and it all came to nothing. Everybody has had their press and WTO briefs prepped for the last 2 months. All of this is very well known.
It is certainly an interesting one. Provoking trade wars to "realign" some of the trade imbalances following a period of loud vitriolic public bluster is already an established tactic with the Trump White House (see China) and could be said to have been somewhat effective. The question on the domestic front is effective economically or effective politically?
On an international front it should be noted with some trepidation that the EU is pretty rubbish at trade wars and trading settlements, whereas America has traditionally been very good at them.
I personally dont see a way this goes well for the EU from a trade perspective, equally thought I dont see a way it goes well for The Donald from a political perspective. A short sharp trade war will do sod all to rebuild America's steel industry which is the driver for the whole vote winning policy thing. It has to be a long term entrenched State policy before you will get to see any benefits of it.
The one plus side is that far from the British steel industry worrying about all this, somebody should be on the blower talking about a bespoke UK agreement, no tariffs, etc once Brexit happens etc and we get an exemption sorted. I suspect that requires more imagine than Govts have though.
Good stuff.
Given that the usual MO of the EU is to stand around scratching their nads and arguing until the 11th hour at which point someone's sent to sober up Junker, Mutti gets her cane out and everyone's locked in a room until a decision finally gets made I think the EU's reaction has very much been on the ball. As I said in a previous post Trump and brexit have concentrated European minds in a way we haven't seen in a long time, particularly since the JCPOA withdrawal announcement.
I'm not sure that past abilities with trade wars and agreements is going to be a useful guide here as the state department's only got half its cylinders firing while the euros have been on a roll with trade agreements recently so there's going to be significant institutional knowledge and momentum that the EU can bring to bear. The EU also also have a long history of 'never let a crisis go to waste' so even if they lose a member or two from the euro (which arguably needs to happen anyway) I can see a protracted trade war being a useful catalyst for fixing the whole eurobonds/fiscal transfers saga.
I can't see any of this helping America economically, if that was truly the aim then America would have teamed up with Europe, Canada, Japan, etc to squish China's anti-competitive practices, I could see a trade war like that being effective if it had clear goals that end the trade war once they have been reached. What Trump's doing is something completely different.
Trump is running with the national security excuse, not just because it was a mechanism for bypassing congress but because it opens the can of patriotism worms, it allows him to say "These people won't even support us against Iran and China so they certainly wouldn't be reliable in a time of war. If you look to me as your leader then I will make us strong in our own right because even if it means a little economic pain now I will ensure that America rules because that is our rightful place!" It's the 1,000 year reich argument for the modern day.
It's an argument built on pure hubris but a common misconception among Americans, particularly the GOP base. It's also a misconception I've seen a lot among the more switched on Trump supporters on reddit, that as the world's number one power they don't need Europe or Bretton Woods and that it's high time America started doing as it pleases instead of kowtowing to the rest of the world. IMO it's a hubris that will be their downfall.
DeejRC said:
The one plus side is that far from the British steel industry worrying about all this, somebody should be on the blower talking about a bespoke UK agreement, no tariffs, etc once Brexit happens etc and we get an exemption sorted. I suspect that requires more imagine than Govts have though.
At risk of going off topic, Boris had to go on TV in order to try and get the president's attention so I'm not sure brexit or the UK figure much in Trump's thought process, which is a measure of how terrible our politicians are as much as anything. IMO the key to a successful brexit is Poland and the visigrad countries and only once they're on board would we have America's attention.The brexiteer dream seems to be the trade advantages of the EU without freedom of movement, without pressure to join the euro and with freedom to conduct bilateral trade deals. Britain isn't alone in this and competent politicians would have noted that the EU is ripe for being split in to a two stage Europe with the core countries continuing to integrate while the UK leads the group of stage 2 countries. This would of course have required vision and a plan, neither of which are forthcoming two sodding years after the vote! Useless
s the lot of them.During this trade war I'd put money on Poland being the loudest pro American voice in the EU but the brexit campaign was so dripping with anti Polish xenophobia that bridges have been burned. If the hard brexiteers (who most certainly do not represent 50%+ of the population) can be knocked in to a hole for long enough to secure an extension to the negotiation period then perhaps we can use the pressure Trump's putting on the EU to secure allies, build a coherent vision for brexit and actually make a decent go of it, otherwise we will die on the sword of our own hubris the moment India and China start making demands in trade negotiations.
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All IMO of course and sorry for the long rambling sentences, post was written very quickly
Also, is this DJRC from the euro thread?
Max_Torque said:
Byker28i said:
US smelters operated at a little over 40% capacity last year, they want to get it to 80%. It also takes a lot of power to produce, so there's a knock on there, half the power used was by coal fueled power stations.
There's an interesting "Long game" possibility here, that could occur:The US increases it's reliance on internal resource, and leverages that for cheap products. For say 15 to 20 years it does very well indeed.
But, because it has all these cheap resources no money is spent on developing a secure future supply chain. In 2038 the "clean" coal runs out. The US has little or no renewable assets, and suddenly faces an energy crisis like no other. The EU and China, supported by a robust renewable energy resource say "sorry, we can't help" having been victims of the 2018 trade war, and the US experiences another 1920's style crash, except this time, with a much larger (and softer) population......
Many of the coal powered stations were shutdown/decomissioned as they were too expensive or are planned for decommission. Green energy was also promoted heavily under Obama as many other countries did also. Coal produces around 37.5% of US energy at the moment but has decreased by 16% over the last 5 years. Renewables now produce about 18% of their power.
trumps said he will revive the coal industry, but the new plants are either gas or renewable, there just isn't the market increase for coal.
Of course controlling the EPA to reverse enviromental decisions helps, trumps seen chinas rapid growth and pollution from energy usage and thinks he should do the same, but the process is shrinking, it's not easy to just ramp it up. Gas prices are low.
Congress are considering additional tax credits for plants that carbon capture, but at the moment it's unclear if the subsidies would be enough to tempt power companies to consider building a new facility. There's also been a couple of new plants converted to run gas after overruns and delays with the carbon capture.
I think the UK, Canada, & EU should now slap 25% tariffs on ALL imported American goods, then lets see how long it lasts before Trump crumbles.....not very long at all I recon. You can see why Putin was so keen (and meddled in) to have Trump elected as he was predicted to split the western alliance wide apart and therefore in Russia's obvious favour.
Bloomberg reports a draft plan has been drawn up which would force grid companies to buy power from struggling coal and nuclear power plants.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-01...
If it ever gets signed off he will justifiably be able to claim he's done something he said he would.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-01...
If it ever gets signed off he will justifiably be able to claim he's done something he said he would.
minimoog said:
Bloomberg reports a draft plan has been drawn up which would force grid companies to buy power from struggling coal and nuclear power plants.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-01...
If it ever gets signed off he will justifiably be able to claim he's done something he said he would.
Doing something just because he promised is what makes him a fhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-01...
If it ever gets signed off he will justifiably be able to claim he's done something he said he would.
king idiot. Coals days are over. He ain’t bringing them back. jjlynn27 said:
El stovey said:
I’ve played this game with him.
Next he’ll ask you who you think he is. Then report you when you answer him.
Then go back to calling you all snowflakes.
So not just me?Next he’ll ask you who you think he is. Then report you when you answer him.
Then go back to calling you all snowflakes.
Still finding his fake medical background quite funny.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Carry on with the off topic attacks children. Idiots
Meanwhile ON topic.
Listened to the radio at lunchtime, Trump seems to have got so very positive responses from the public. "Good on him protecting his people" "Well he is about the only Politician doing what he said he would"
where has the hate gone ?
I guess that's an easy report to write if you speak to the right people. Meanwhile ON topic.
Listened to the radio at lunchtime, Trump seems to have got so very positive responses from the public. "Good on him protecting his people" "Well he is about the only Politician doing what he said he would"
where has the hate gone ?
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 1st June 13:58
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 1st June 13:58
This is a better indication of how positively (or not) he is viewed, and Rasmussen is widely recognised as being a very pro-Trump polling outfit.
Were you listening to Fox News or RT?
The Dangerous Elk said:
Carry on with the off topic attacks children. Idiots
Meanwhile ON topic.
Listened to the radio at lunchtime, Trump seems to have got so very positive responses from the public. "Good on him protecting his people" "Well he is about the only Politician doing what he said he would"
where has the hate gone ?
Attacks? It's a fact that you report people who reply to your posts. Totally unsurprising to have you as a die-hard Trump supporter. Meanwhile ON topic.
Listened to the radio at lunchtime, Trump seems to have got so very positive responses from the public. "Good on him protecting his people" "Well he is about the only Politician doing what he said he would"
where has the hate gone ?
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Friday 1st June 13:58
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Friday 1st June 13:58
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