45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[frankenstein12]

Halb said:

quite a few republicans don't wish to work with trump either.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/house-...

Yes I have already pointed that in reference to the continued argument of "He has the house and senate" argument which is a fallacy. On paper maybe in reality not really.

[p1stonhead]

He hides his horns so well

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1009134...

[p1stonhead]

frankenstein12 said:

Halb said:

quite a few republicans don't wish to work with trump either.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/house-...

Yes I have already pointed that in reference to the continued argument of "He has the house and senate" argument which is a fallacy. On paper maybe in reality not really.

How not in reality?

[Davos123]

frankenstein12 said:

A fair point but the idea would be to impose enough tariffs that Mexico agrees to pay rather than see a drop in its economy from Americans not buying their products because they are too expensive at which point it is not the buyers paying its Mexico.

This isn't going to happen

[p1stonhead]

Davos123 said:

frankenstein12 said:

A fair point but the idea would be to impose enough tariffs that Mexico agrees to pay rather than see a drop in its economy from Americans not buying their products because they are too expensive at which point it is not the buyers paying its Mexico.

This isn't going to happen

I can’t believe how far down the rabbit hole Frankenstein is! It’s amazing to witness first hand.

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

I can’t believe how far down the rabbit hole Frankenstein is! It’s amazing to witness first hand.

It’s brilliant, isn’t it?

He gives zero thought to what he says, so as he gets called on it, and then gets called on his first, second and so on rejoinders, he has to make things up on the hoof each time to avoid having to say “oh, yeah, I was wrong, wasn’t I?”.

[NRS]

coyft said:

I think that's a bit unfair. He seems quite open minded and willing to share his personal views, when challenged he defends them and if he's proven wrong seems perfectly happy to accept it and change his position.

I wouldn't agree with you there. For example he started saying it's helping the children by taking them away from their parents etc. That's justifying the result regardless of the means of getting there. To be honest not many people on here (and less and less in the "real" world) are open minded. There's a huge anti-Trump bias by many posters, but most of the Trump supporters are just as blind.

I'm personally not strongly against the tariffs, just I think the strategy was wrong by taking everyone on at once. However as a person I really dislike the type of person Trump is - and that's having seen what he was like before being president. I didn't care about him before, but the more I have seen about him then the less I like him. The only reason he has succeeded in things IMO is because he already started from a position of wealth and power. Both personally, and also being the president of the biggest economy in the world. If he started in a normal position in life he would have got nowhere with the tactics he uses (and even then with his multiple bankruptcies he has done badly several times too).

[minimoog]

turbobloke said:

Meanwhile it looks as though Billary isn't in the White House and won't be, any time soon. Never mind!

Oh noes, you mean she is never going to be president? Whatever shall I do?

Honestly mate, ditch the pormanteaus. They might have been wryly amusing when you first used them years ago, but they just make you look incredibly sad now.

[Tony33]

coyft said:

I think that's a bit unfair. He seems quite open minded and willing to share his personal views, when challenged he defends them and if he's proven wrong seems perfectly happy to accept it and change his position.

The problem is that I don't really see where any genuine challenging comes from. The media are shrugged off as fake news, it isn't like he has to face the dems in any kind of prime minister question time, so he picks the interviews that he considers "meaningful" as he wishes. he just says stuff in an assertive manner as if fact and basically gets away unchallenged because anyone that thinks otherwise are haters and not credible (in his view) and he gets in a strop and dismisses them. Who can actually take him to task?

[Challo]

Tony33 said:

coyft said:

I think that's a bit unfair. He seems quite open minded and willing to share his personal views, when challenged he defends them and if he's proven wrong seems perfectly happy to accept it and change his position.

The problem is that I don't really see where any genuine challenging comes from. The media are shrugged off as fake news, it isn't like he has to face the dems in any kind of prime minister question time, so he picks the interviews that he considers "meaningful" as he wishes. he just says stuff in an assertive manner as if fact and basically gets away unchallenged because anyone that thinks otherwise are haters and not credible (in his view) and he gets in a strop and dismisses them. Who can actually take him to task?

And when you have the largest cable network as your cheerleader and supporting your every word he just carries on regardless.

[Seventy]

coyft said:

Greg66 said:

p1stonhead said:

I can’t believe how far down the rabbit hole Frankenstein is! It’s amazing to witness first hand.

It’s brilliant, isn’t it?

He gives zero thought to what he says, so as he gets called on it, and then gets called on his first, second and so on rejoinders, he has to make things up on the hoof each time to avoid having to say “oh, yeah, I was wrong, wasn’t I?”.

I think that's a bit unfair. He seems quite open minded and willing to share his personal views, when challenged he defends them and if he's proven wrong seems perfectly happy to accept it and change his position.

It’s fking boring.
He has no ‘personal views’ it’s just what he heard/read/watched 10 minutes/an hour/a day ago regurgitated with no cognitive process. Someone who couldn’t have a conversation without referring to the internet.
It’s the behaviour of a very lonely person.

[Tony33]

coyft said:

Tony33 said:

coyft said:

I think that's a bit unfair. He seems quite open minded and willing to share his personal views, when challenged he defends them and if he's proven wrong seems perfectly happy to accept it and change his position.

The problem is that I don't really see where any genuine challenging comes from. The media are shrugged off as fake news, it isn't like he has to face the dems in any kind of prime minister question time, so he picks the interviews that he considers "meaningful" as he wishes. he just says stuff in an assertive manner as if fact and basically gets away unchallenged because anyone that thinks otherwise are haters and not credible (in his view) and he gets in a strop and dismisses them. Who can actually take him to task?

I think we are at cross purposes I was talking about F12.

We are indeed, my apologies. My view about Trump and the lack of apparent challenge still stands though compared to the UK where the PM gets put on the spot on a regular basis.

[p1stonhead]

Tony33 said:

coyft said:

Tony33 said:

coyft said:

I think that's a bit unfair. He seems quite open minded and willing to share his personal views, when challenged he defends them and if he's proven wrong seems perfectly happy to accept it and change his position.

The problem is that I don't really see where any genuine challenging comes from. The media are shrugged off as fake news, it isn't like he has to face the dems in any kind of prime minister question time, so he picks the interviews that he considers "meaningful" as he wishes. he just says stuff in an assertive manner as if fact and basically gets away unchallenged because anyone that thinks otherwise are haters and not credible (in his view) and he gets in a strop and dismisses them. Who can actually take him to task?

I think we are at cross purposes I was talking about F12.

We are indeed, my apologies. My view about Trump and the lack of apparent challenge still stands though compared to the UK where the PM gets put on the spot on a regular basis.

We need to wait until November. The midterms are do or die for America to survive in any form close to what it is now IMO. If the Dems don’t sweep the board, they may never get back to where they were.

[turbobloke]

minimoog said:

turbobloke said:

Meanwhile it looks as though Billary isn't in the White House and won't be, any time soon. Never mind!

Oh noes, you mean she is never going to be president? Whatever shall I do?

Based on your previous comment we must surely be safe in assuming it has nothing to do with masturbation? Your business though!

As somebody with an interest but nothing partisan, it looks weird when so many people are saying with reason how appalling Trump is but the Dem's best failed to beat him and there's no sign of anyone about to storm the next election. Who will beat Trump for the Dems? Just asking, given how transparently disastrous he is it must be a cake walk for somebody. After all, reading the media and the loudest voices on PH it was a walk-over for HC.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

As somebody with an interest but nothing partisan, it looks weird when so many people are saying with reason how appalling Trump is but the Dem's best failed to beat him and there's no sign of anyone about to storm the next election. Who will beat Trump for the Dems? Just asking, given how transparently disastrous he is it must be a cake walk for somebody. After all, reading the media and the loudest voices on PH it was a walk-over for HC.

What’s your point? That there is still no credible Democrat challenger, or that Trump can’t really be as bad as everyone says? The written word doesn’t disclose whether “with reason” and “transparently disastrous” are sarcastic.

It matters, because this is the Trump thread, not the “Where’s the Democrat challenger?” thread.

[Kinky]

Now he's accusing Canadians of smuggling stuff over the border

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trump-accuses-cana...

[dmulally]

Davos123 said:

fwiw I think a popular vote contest between the two would be fascinating. Clinton's problem is that basically nobody actually likes her, so she struggles to get people to the booths. Trump's problem is most people absolutely hate him, but he has a significant number more people that like him than Clinton does. Would be interesting to see if people would turnout to vote for Clinton motivated by a hatred of Trump more so in a popular vote system.

Eurgh, I hate typing about Clinton. The fking idiocy and arrogance of the Democrats to let such an obviously flawed and unpopular candidate run is the reason we're in this mess in the first place. Shame Biden didn't stand up to her.

That's the way I see it. He was packing out stadiums and she was barely filling basketball courts. In saying that, I think pretty much any other candidate could have won besides her. They got arrogant and cocky and it didn't play well.

I dare say if Trump runs again then he will have a much harder time beating a boring old white guy.

[Dal3D]

Trump is possibly redefining "new low" on a daily basis at the moment.

"The United States was on Tuesday expected to pull out of the United Nations Human Rights Council, which it has accused of anti-Israel bias.

Any suspension or withdrawal would be the latest US rejection of multilateral engagement after it pulled out of the Paris climate agreement and the Iran nuclear deal.

Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, and Nikki Haley, US ambassador to the UN, were due to address the Geneva-based organisation on Tuesday.

Ms Haley announced last year that Washington was reviewing its membership of the 47-country body."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/19/united...

[Davos123]

dmulally said:

I dare say if Trump runs again then he will have a much harder time beating a boring old white guy.

I would absolutely not discount the Dems going into the next election with similar arrogance, especially given how unpopular they'll perceive Trump to be. Trump vs Oprah would be quite something

[Davos123]

Dal3D said:

Trump is possibly redefining "new low" on a daily basis at the moment.

"The United States was on Tuesday expected to pull out of the United Nations Human Rights Council, which it has accused of anti-Israel bias.

Any suspension or withdrawal would be the latest US rejection of multilateral engagement after it pulled out of the Paris climate agreement and the Iran nuclear deal.

Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, and Nikki Haley, US ambassador to the UN, were due to address the Geneva-based organisation on Tuesday.

Ms Haley announced last year that Washington was reviewing its membership of the 47-country body."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/19/united...

I fully support a nation withdrawing from the Human Rights Council based on the member countries and it' bias tbf, though Trump's managed to pick a not very good reason for it.