45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
Discussion
Seventy said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
(FYI, the 30's includes the period when the Nazis were still "on the rise". Until the Hindenburg appointment of AH to Chancellor and then the Enabling act in March 33 Germany was still "Pre Nazi".
It took until late 34 to cement this with the changes to the Judges/Direct powers etc.)
Top googling. Unless you’re a lecturer in the subject. Which I doubt. It took until late 34 to cement this with the changes to the Judges/Direct powers etc.)
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Monday 25th June 20:04
amgmcqueen said:
Majority of American approve of Trump on economy:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/25/majority-of-americ...
Trumps poll number surging:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-poll-numbers-a...
Trumps economic approval ratings hit new high:
https://www.axios.com/americans-approve-donald-tru...
Hypothetically, if Foot/Blaire/Brown/Corbyn said that they were going to put a massive tariff on coal imports in order to re-open the mines would you think that made sense?https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/25/majority-of-americ...
Trumps poll number surging:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-poll-numbers-a...
Trumps economic approval ratings hit new high:
https://www.axios.com/americans-approve-donald-tru...
Corbyn got 2.4% less than Theresa May in last year's election. In other words making stupid promises can make you popular and sometimes get you elected. That doesn't make those promises any less stupid.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Google or History A level and a long-standing interest in the time period, you choose because I do not care one tiny little turd what you think chap. The info I gave you was accurate, just live with it and say thanks rather than your snide little remark.
I’ll choose google then. The second part of your first sentence tells me all I need to know. That and your previous history.
Oh, FYI I don’t get emails.
Edited by Seventy on Monday 25th June 21:26
Seventy said:
I’ll choose google then. The second part of your first sentence tells me all I need to know.
That and your previous history.
Oh, FYI I don’t get emails.
I am happy for you to live in your own ignorance, I have no skin in the game chap.That and your previous history.
Oh, FYI I don’t get emails.
Edited by Seventy on Monday 25th June 21:26
The Dangerous Elk said:
There are no parallels between the rise/taking of power by the Nazi's and Trump/USA
None? really? I'm not a history expert but right off the top of my head i can think of several?It's important to look at Hitler with a suitable perspective, ie not with the benefit of hindsight. By 1940, and certainly by 1943, it was clear that Nazi Germany had normalised hatred and was carry out war crimes and atrocities under the banner of "Germany First". And it's easy to look back at what i'd call the fully developed Hitler and say, "no Trump is nothing like Hitler". However, take a look at what Hitler did in his early political career, how he motivated a down trodden population with the promise of making Germany great again, and how he won a popular vote with the native German population with his "no outsiders only pure Germans" policies.
I'd say the parallels are striking, be they political, social, or a mix of the two. It took many small steps to go from an outspoken political figurehead, to a mass murdering dictator, but those steps did occur, and we would be wise to learn what history has to show us could happen.
Max_Torque said:
None? really? I'm not a history expert but right off the top of my head i can think of several?
It's important to look at Hitler with a suitable perspective, ie not with the benefit of hindsight. By 1940, and certainly by 1943, it was clear that Nazi Germany had normalised hatred and was carry out war crimes and atrocities under the banner of "Germany First". And it's easy to look back at what i'd call the fully developed Hitler and say, "no Trump is nothing like Hitler". However, take a look at what Hitler did in his early political career, how he motivated a down trodden population with the promise of making Germany great again, and how he won a popular vote with the native German population with his "no outsiders only pure Germans" policies.
I'd say the parallels are striking, be they political, social, or a mix of the two. It took many small steps to go from an outspoken political figurehead, to a mass murdering dictator, but those steps did occur, and we would be wise to learn what history has to show us could happen.
As I have said, there is zero comparison of worth between Trump and Hitler. Some dreamt up danger and the fact he is a bit of a rabble-rouser is not sufficient.It's important to look at Hitler with a suitable perspective, ie not with the benefit of hindsight. By 1940, and certainly by 1943, it was clear that Nazi Germany had normalised hatred and was carry out war crimes and atrocities under the banner of "Germany First". And it's easy to look back at what i'd call the fully developed Hitler and say, "no Trump is nothing like Hitler". However, take a look at what Hitler did in his early political career, how he motivated a down trodden population with the promise of making Germany great again, and how he won a popular vote with the native German population with his "no outsiders only pure Germans" policies.
I'd say the parallels are striking, be they political, social, or a mix of the two. It took many small steps to go from an outspoken political figurehead, to a mass murdering dictator, but those steps did occur, and we would be wise to learn what history has to show us could happen.
You arrogant fMax_Torque said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
There are no parallels between the rise/taking of power by the Nazi's and Trump/USA
None? really? I'm not a history expert but right off the top of my head i can think of several?It's important to look at Hitler with a suitable perspective, ie not with the benefit of hindsight. By 1940, and certainly by 1943, it was clear that Nazi Germany had normalised hatred and was carry out war crimes and atrocities under the banner of "Germany First". And it's easy to look back at what i'd call the fully developed Hitler and say, "no Trump is nothing like Hitler". However, take a look at what Hitler did in his early political career, how he motivated a down trodden population with the promise of making Germany great again, and how he won a popular vote with the native German population with his "no outsiders only pure Germans" policies.
I'd say the parallels are striking, be they political, social, or a mix of the two. It took many small steps to go from an outspoken political figurehead, to a mass murdering dictator, but those steps did occur, and we would be wise to learn what history has to show us could happen.
Those who fail to see Trump for what he is or choose to ignore it are as culpable as the naïve Europeans and appeasers of the 1930's.
Charlottesville / Reichstag Fire / Fascist march on Rome
I will leave the quality of your compassion on this thanks, just in case you miss the point, it is a laughable comparison.
I do not like Trump one bit, we do the argument against him and what he stands for no good by using these hysterical comparisons. There are sufficient facts to do the work.
I will leave the quality of your compassion on this thanks, just in case you miss the point, it is a laughable comparison.
I do not like Trump one bit, we do the argument against him and what he stands for no good by using these hysterical comparisons. There are sufficient facts to do the work.
Seventy said:
Eagerly awaits TDE’s googled response.......
No need thanks, all to low level to need to reference anything.Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Monday 25th June 22:50
unrepentant said:
The parallels between Trump and the 1930's fascists are obvious and telling. Attack the press, ridicule all opposition as false ("fake"), demonize foreigners, use executive decrees to subvert the democratic process, practice blatant nepotism by appointing family members to key positions (see Mussolini), encourage followers to be violent (Charlottesville / Reichstag Fire / Fascist march on Rome), attack central institutions (FBI, Justice dept etc..), repeated dog whistles to the racist minority who form the base. Like Hitler, Trump was also elected by a minority and proceeded to rule like an emperor.
Those who fail to see Trump for what he is or choose to ignore it are as culpable as the naïve Europeans and appeasers of the 1930's.
He hasn't taken the first step yet though has he? To rip up the rules in any permanent way.Those who fail to see Trump for what he is or choose to ignore it are as culpable as the naïve Europeans and appeasers of the 1930's.
Interesting article on Godwin's law by Mike Godwin himself; https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2...
coyft said:
Must be a bit quiet on the Russian collusion allegations today, so we've moved onto comparing Trump to Hitler.
The thread that just keeps on giving.
Well, not completely quiet. The news broke today that they seized phones and computers belonging to Erik Prince. Presumably because they suspect he wasn't 100 percent truthful with the Mueller enquiry.The thread that just keeps on giving.
djc206 said:
Tbh I’m surprised Trump hasn’t claimed credit for this wonderful weather. It would fit his MO.
He claimed credit for a safe year of commercial aviation not too long ago. He’s just the same with the stock market. It goes up and it’s all down to him. It goes down, radio silence. It’s amazing that any adult of even vaguely sound mind could be taken in by him. Well, I suppose I have answered my own thought there.
They aren’t.
coyft said:
Must be a bit quiet on the Russian collusion allegations today, so we've moved onto comparing Trump to Hitler.
The thread that just keeps on giving.
I think it is necessary to remind you, Coyft, since you seem to repeatedly struggle with this, that unless you are Robert Mueller himself, or part of Mueller’s team, you will not know what he has got on Russian collusion, and neither will we.The thread that just keeps on giving.
Why is it such a challenge for you to grasp this?
coyft said:
Must be a bit quiet on the Russian collusion allegations today, so we've moved onto comparing Trump to Hitler.
The thread that just keeps on giving.
Madness is it. The thread that just keeps on giving.
I mean we have a person who doesn't support trump with a possible A level, and A level people! educating people and not even getting a thanks.
Even you, the king of wit and scarcasm is finding some posters comment beyond the pail.
I am a history graduate, history teacher (A level too) and general history geek (go on have a guess what my favourite time period is? I wrote my dissertation on it) I whole heartedly, with every fibre in my being argee with the education Mr Elk is quickly reading on wiki.
He is right to suggest the similar things that built up in Germany are not similar to the similar thing similarly happening in America. Even if they look the same. They aren't. Proof please. No not the photos, quotes, camps, targeting of minorities, same tag lines etc REAL proof? None, trump doesn't even have a tash, also Hitler was a socialist, says so in the title. Trump hates socialist.
I suggest we just ignore those t
ts trying to wind us up and carry on our circle jerk together. Now it is my turn next. Hook your index finger over your top lip when you do me this time. It's my favourite.
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