45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[The Dangerous Elk]

Old Man Fred said:

A Pew Research Center analysis of data from AAM shows that total weekday circulation for U.S. daily newspapers – both print and digital – fell 8% in 2016, marking the 28th consecutive year of declines.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/01/ci...

i don't have personal knowledge of the quality of the source but falling for 28 years in a row sounds fairly irrefutable

My fault, please include "the internet"/news blogs" in "words read". 24 hour news as well ?

my bad.

[roachcoach]

Jockman said:

roachcoach said:

We're definitely in unknown waters, though the trade wars are furrowing some brows of the congress-critters.

Stock markets were used early doors as a barometer of success.

I’m not following them too closely at the moment but I’m told they are looking a wee bit jittery in relation to your point.

I'm skimming it these days, Harley talking about moving out of the US to avoid the tariffs, a manufacturer or two starting layoffs as a result of metal tariffs here and there. It's pretty early days but it's already looking interesting.

China is rattling the sabre too.

If anything will come of it I don't know, I expect that based on prior events the entire rust belt could be made jobless and he'd tweet blaming Obama/the rest of the world and that would be that.

[Vanden Saab]

IMHO it is the Trump haters that actually help him. When you espouse the view that everything he does is either wrong or is because of something or somebody else in fact anything else you create the atmosphere where he can flourish.
Even the worst mass murderer will love kittens or something everyone knows that so also knows the naysayers are not telling the truth.

[Eric Mc]

The Dangerous Elk said:

It proves nothing other than he cannot ever be a Usa Hitler

The concern I have is more long term, it is the amount of polarity developing (and encouraged by the media & politicians) which could lead to a kneejerk reaction in the type of person who takes over from him. If there is a wholesale avoidance of the reasons for Trump even obtaining many many millions of votes then the polarisation within society will get an order of magnitude worse.

Trump as a person was not the main reason many of those millions voted for him. (please exclude nut jobs on both sides from my generalisations)

We've not been here before so safely predicting that Trump could never lead to a Hitler type situation is completely speculative.

We just don't know where this Trump aberration will lead. It is doing a lot of damage to the US and is having precisely the opposite effect to "Making America Great" (whatever that is really supposed to mean).

[Tampon]

Vanden Saab said:

IMHO it is the Trump haters that actually help him. When you espouse the view that everything he does is either wrong or is because of something or somebody else in fact anything else you create the atmosphere where he can flourish.
Even the worst mass murderer will love kittens or something everyone knows that so also knows the naysayers are not telling the truth.

That is correct, it is people saying what he is doing wrong when he does it wrong that makes people support him. They don;t want to, just other people make them. You lefties are at fault, It is hardly his fault. He loves money and kittens so something or other, everyone knows the naysayers are not the worst mass murderers so therefore, ipsofacto a formulated arguement. Or something.

I can't put it as succintctly as my learned friend here but listen, he makes points proper like.

We don't support him, it is just it isn't his fault, the things he says or does. It isn't even his supporters fault for supporting him (not that we do) it is others making the atomphere that makes them support him.

The word support has lost all meaning to meaning to me now.

Edited by Tampon on Tuesday 26th June 13:40

[The Dangerous Elk]

Tampon said:

That is correct, it is people saying what he is doing wrong when he does it wrong that makes people support him. They don;t want to, just other people make them. You lefties are at fault, It is hardly his fault. He loves money and kittens so something or other, everyone knows the naysayers are not the worst mass murderers so therefore, ipsofacto a formulated arguement. Or something.

I can't put it as succintctly as my learned friend here but listen, he makes points proper like.

We don't support him, it is just it isn't his fault, the things he says or does. It isn't even his supporters fault for supporting him (not that we do) it is others making the atomphere that makes them support him.

Edited by Tampon on Tuesday 26th June 13:38

groan.

Not at all what he said. A perfect score on the Glo-esk twist of words meter.

[Tampon]

The Dangerous Elk said:

groan.

Not at all what he said. A perfect score on the Glo-esk twist of words meter.

I love that you take me seriously in my pisstakes but don't reply to the serious ones.

Lets go steady.

[Eric Mc]

Could you two knock it off?

Tampon's attempts at humour are not that funny - and the Elk's responses are pointless.

Please keep to the topic in question.

[mikal83]

Tampon said:

Vanden Saab said:

IMHO it is the Trump haters that actually help him. When you espouse the view that everything he does is either wrong or is because of something or somebody else in fact anything else you create the atmosphere where he can flourish.
Even the worst mass murderer will love kittens or something everyone knows that so also knows the naysayers are not telling the truth.

That is correct, it is people saying what he is doing wrong when he does it wrong that makes people support him. They don;t want to, just other people make them. You lefties are at fault, It is hardly his fault. He loves money and kittens so something or other, everyone knows the naysayers are not the worst mass murderers so therefore, ipsofacto a formulated arguement. Or something.

I can't put it as succintctly as my learned friend here but listen, he makes points proper like.

We don't support him, it is just it isn't his fault, the things he says or does. It isn't even his supporters fault for supporting him (not that we do) it is others making the atomphere that makes them support him.

The word support has lost all meaning to meaning to me now.

Edited by Tampon on Tuesday 26th June 13:40

Please run a list of all the great things he has done in the last year

[Tampon]

mikal83 said:

Please run a list of all the great things he has done in the last year

He locked up brown children.
.
He does allow a bad tripadvisor review go unpublished.

He finds the good in everybody.

He doesn;t take st off anyone just like John Wayne.

Ermmmmmm ermmmmm

He is making leftie heads explode.

Erm

He is making America Great

[Tampon]

Eric Mc said:

Could you two knock it off?

Tampon's attempts at humour are not that funny - and the Elk's responses are pointless.

Please keep to the topic in question.

Sorry Eric, genuinely don't mean to annoy you.

You engage them in serious debate about some of their ridiculous positions. That gives them and their views credence. You can try and argue the point but you can't/won't change them. I would love it if people didn't but that isn't going to happen.

I have to read their crap they can read mine. I am not going to sit and read people talking about mass murderers loving kittens so Trump is not all bad and just sit there. I wouldn't in a pub, I would rip the piss out of that kind of stupidity.

Coyft has posted some half decent points, and when he does fair enough, I have even argeed with him. You could probably chat wth him in a pub in all honesty.

Elk is hilarious in some of his incecure aggorgance, but when people pose questions to him he just becomes more afirmed that his view is valid. He wouldn't come to the pub because of big boys.

When they get silly you fight fire with fire, not with a reasoned debate. I understand if you don't liek it but we all make our point in our own special way.

Winding up righties is the new winding up lefties, many people have said so.

[Eric Mc]

The best way to deal with them is to ignore them. Far more effective than trying to be witty.

[Tampon]

Eric Mc said:

The best way to deal with them is to ignore them. Far more effective than trying to be witty.

With all respect Eric, that has been tried.

You yourself have engaged just recently. Even you can't ignore some of the rubbish spouted.

I am not going to,

[Eric Mc]

Tampon said:

With all respect Eric, that has been tried.

You yourself have engaged just recently. Even you can't ignore some of the rubbish spouted.

I am not going to,

You will notice that I have been absent for quite a while on this thread - and that is because of the inbecility of much of the discussion over the past two weeks. I'd like to see the topic back on track talking about Trump and his actions etc rather than posters trying to outwit each other with supposedly sharp and barbed comment.

If it doesn't improve, I'll be absenting myself for another few weeks.

[esxste]

Vanden Saab said:

IMHO it is the Trump haters that actually help him. When you espouse the view that everything he does is either wrong or is because of something or somebody else in fact anything else you create the atmosphere where he can flourish.
Even the worst mass murderer will love kittens or something everyone knows that so also knows the naysayers are not telling the truth.

I wonder, how does one easily distinguish between a Trump hater, and someone who is disagrees with most of his policy decisions and is patiently waiting with concern for the end result of Mueller's investigation?

[Escapegoat]

Meanwhile, Boris didireallysaythat Johnson has been declaring how he's "increasingly admiring" of Trump. Figures.

[IJB1959]

Escapegoat said:

Meanwhile, Boris didireallysaythat Johnson has been declaring how he's "increasingly admiring" of Trump. Figures.

Boris is a whole new thread topic.

[mikal83]

Eric Mc said:

Tampon said:

With all respect Eric, that has been tried.

You yourself have engaged just recently. Even you can't ignore some of the rubbish spouted.

I am not going to,

You will notice that I have been absent for quite a while on this thread - and that is because of the inbecility of much of the discussion over the past two weeks. I'd like to see the topic back on track talking about Trump and his actions etc rather than posters trying to outwit each other with supposedly sharp and barbed comment.

If it doesn't improve, I'll be absenting myself for another few weeks.

Don't let the gate hit you on the ass on the way out eh

[Eric Mc]

mikal83 said:

Don't let the gate hit you on the ass on the way out eh

I didn't say I wouldn't be back - the gate swings both ways. I'd just like the standard of debate to improve a bit above childish and moronic rudeness - as your above comment amply demonstrates.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Tampon said:

With all respect Eric, that has been tried.

You yourself have engaged just recently. Even you can't ignore some of the rubbish spouted.

I am not going to,

and I quote:
"insecure aggorgance, but when people pose questions to him he just becomes more affirmed that his view is valid"

Most amusing, after such an accusation I must ask for a quote to show what I have said is not "valid".