Miami school shooting

[DurianIceCream]

[quote=rscott]


So the 'sensible' way for the NRA to challenge a different bill which hasn't been passed into law anywhere is to challenge the Florida bill which has very limited restrictions?
Sounds to me like they're throwing their toys out of the pram because a state dared raise the age at which certain firearms can be purchased to the same age at which drinking alcohol is legal.
/quote]
The NRA will oppose reductions in firearm rights. The increase in minimum age is a reduction in firearms rights. They NRA is not an alcohol lobby group, so they aren't interested in the drinking age.

The Democrat bill, which isn't the first, shows that despite what statements might be made for the 6pm news, when it actually comes to writing down some proposed leglislation comprehensive gun bans are on the agenda. So comprehensive that there would be guns you could legally buy in Canada or France, which would be banned for sale in the US.

Edited by DurianIceCream on Saturday 10th March 11:32

[rscott]

DurianIceCream said:

rscott said:

So the 'sensible' way for the NRA to challenge a different bill which hasn't been passed into law anywhere is to challenge the Florida bill which has very limited restrictions?
Sounds to me like they're throwing their toys out of the pram because a state dared raise the age at which certain firearms can be purchased to the same age at which drinking alcohol is legal.

The NRA will oppose reductions in firearm rights. The increase in minimum age is a reduction in firearms rights. They NRA is not an alcohol lobby group, so they aren't interested in the drinking age.

The Democrat bill, which isn't the first, shows that despite what statements might be made for the 6pm news, when it actually comes to writing down some proposed leglislation comprehensive gun bans are on the agenda.

What relevance does the Democrat bill you mention have to the one signed into law in Florida?

Or are you seriously saying the NRA are right to block any changes whatsoever to gun control, no matter how minor or sensible, because that's the slippery slope to further gun control? Even though 3/4 of Americans surveyed want tighter gun control.

You obviously miss my point about alcohol. 21 is seen as the age at which an American is deemed adult enough to purchase alcohol, so doesn't seem unreasonable to be the age at which they can purchase firearms.

[DurianIceCream]

^ You can vote and join the armed forces at 18 and drive as less than 18. You can pilot with passengers in your own airplane at about 16. The drinking age of 21 is the outlier. Doesn't seem unreasonable for a gun lobby group to oppose it.

[Efbe]

DurianIceCream said:

^ If you have only skim read and Googled, but as you say the 'entire country' has come to a different conclusion, does that not suggest to you there is more to it? Those that have looked at it include several sittings of the US Supreme Court, with the country's most senior judges. A quick Google and skim read is better?

Why would the US supreme court be better at interpreting a sentence than you or me?

They have a massive political pressure to make sure they interpret it the "right way", I don't. It makes absolutely no odds to me if they have a piece of paper written a long time ago saying they have a right to guns or not. It just turns out they are wrong!

[Bacon Is Proof]

rscott said:

Good guy with a gun shoots carjacking victim in the head then drives off! https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-wi...

"The shooter quickly gathered up his shell casings from the pavement and fled the scene."

It's one thing to accidentally kill someone, it's quite another for your very next thought to be covering your tracks.

[DurianIceCream]

Efbe said:

Why would the US supreme court be better at interpreting a sentence than you or me?

Was it you who was saying the purpose of the 2A was to enable a standing army? If you openly admit your opinion is based an a short netsurf and you think that is a better basis than multiple Supreme Court justices over decades, that is just bizarre.

[Countdown]

Would a law that said "People can bear arms, except where they are criminals or mentally ill?" be acceptable to the Gun Lobby?

I ask because (obviously) a lot of Americans love guns so blanket restrictions are not going to be favourable. What about restricitng the ability of loons/criminals? Or would Americans think that they have the right as well?

[kowalski655]

Trump certainly did when he rolled back the rules that were set by Obama about the mentally ill not having guns

[Gandahar]

DurianIceCream said:

Cliftonite said:

The madness surrounding gun legislation continues . . .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43352078

That needs to be looked at in context of a bill tabled by the Democrats

No it doesn't, this needs to be looked at in its own right, which is what the NRA is suing against, nothing to do with any thing else that you brought up at a whim,

Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 10th March 20:46

[Efbe]

DurianIceCream said:

Efbe said:

Why would the US supreme court be better at interpreting a sentence than you or me?

Was it you who was saying the purpose of the 2A was to enable a standing army? If you openly admit your opinion is based an a short netsurf and you think that is a better basis than multiple Supreme Court justices over decades, that is just bizarre.

No. My opinion on what 2A means is based on me being able to read.

The net surf is regarding the various court interpretations over the years of which there have been numerous in rather a lot of detail.

Having detailed knowledge of the US and the US court cases has nothing to do with being able to understand one short sentence.

[DurianIceCream]

Efbe said:

No. My opinion on what 2A means is based on me being able to read.

The net surf is regarding the various court interpretations over the years of which there have been numerous in rather a lot of detail.

Having detailed knowledge of the US and the US court cases has nothing to do with being able to understand one short sentence.

But you said the 2A enabled the state to set up a standing army. You have done your 'understanding one short sentence' and decided, among other things, that is is referring to a standing army. It doesn't say anything about a standing army.

[croyde]

Pro gun mum shot in the back by 4 year old son.

Sorry but had to laugh. The irony.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484064/Pr...

[shoggoth1]

croyde said:

Pro gun mum shot in the back by 4 year old son.

Sorry but had to laugh. The irony.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484064/Pr...

Err, that was two years ago...

[croyde]

Ah well. There's me thinking I was hot damn on being first with the news

Still funny tho.

[p1stonhead]

shoggoth1 said:

croyde said:

Pro gun mum shot in the back by 4 year old son.

Sorry but had to laugh. The irony.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3484064/Pr...

Err, that was two years ago...

This wasnt

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp...

[wc98]

p1stonhead said:

This wasnt

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp...

i think that incident shows there is no point arguing with people over gun laws in the states. the mentality that allowed that situation to occur in the first place is beyond the imagination of moist in the uk, imo of course.

[kowalski655]

Thousands of kids,in 3000 schools,walked out in protest yesterday. These kids will be voting soon, their parents certainly are, but of course still no action from government!

[jmorgan]

Been interesting reading some of the comments about this from the pro lobby. Head in sand stuff.

[Gary C]

Did you see the Washington protest ?

7000 pairs of shoes representing People shot since sandy hook

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5812788/gun-control-...

FFS that's only 6 years !

Edited by Gary C on Thursday 15th March 07:49

[p1stonhead]

Gary C said:

Did you see the Washington protest ?

7000 pairs of shoes representing People shot since sandy hook

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5812788/gun-control-...

FFS that's only 6 years !

Edited by Gary C on Thursday 15th March 07:49

When the old gun loving mentalists die off, the NRA are done for.

So are the GOP probably.