Miami school shooting
Discussion
p1stonhead said:
I suppose it's so frequent now that it's almost inevitable but the irony is this one happened a mile from the bloke who wrote that brilliant headline.
https://twitter.com/jasonroeder/status/96397630787...
It is staggering how blind they are to this. Their kids being murdered regularly gets zero reaction from government but any hint of radical Islam and they'll upend their entire country to address it.
Can it really just be the NRA money flowing into the politicians pockets? It's just difficult to comprehend they care about money so much that they're happy for this to continue.
durbster said:
p1stonhead said:
I suppose it's so frequent now that it's almost inevitable but the irony is this one happened a mile from the bloke who wrote that brilliant headline.https://twitter.com/jasonroeder/status/96397630787...
It is staggering how blind they are to this. Their kids being murdered regularly gets zero reaction from government but any hint of radical Islam and they'll upend their entire country to address it.
Can it really just be the NRA money flowing into the politicians pockets? It's just difficult to comprehend they care about money so much that they're happy for this to continue.
If they were brown - BUILD A WALL, BAN MUSLIMS, DO ANYTHING!!!
America is a truly backwards place.
What are the actual stats on 'gun availability' to the average citizen in the USA vs every other 1st world country - are they really on a completely different level?
I know the standard reaction whenever a mass shooting happens is that tighter gun controls are needed, but noone really mentions anything specific about American culture that could be a bigger factor.
I know the standard reaction whenever a mass shooting happens is that tighter gun controls are needed, but noone really mentions anything specific about American culture that could be a bigger factor.
Judging by the statistics so far this year there will be another gun incident in an American School in just two or three days and another gun incident resulting in a death or injury by this time next week.
Sandy Hook Elementary School was the moment to change the American Peoples attitudes to gun laws and they have quite happily tolerated that murdered children is an acceptable price for their right to bear arms.
I have a reasoned expectation that even a slaughterhouse incident of even 60, 70 or even a hundred student deaths in one incident won't be enough to change the American attitude to their guns.
Mass killings in America are an accepted norm and it doesn't seem to make any difference to their debate and culture whether its pensioners or babies, or anywhere in between.
Sandy Hook Elementary School was the moment to change the American Peoples attitudes to gun laws and they have quite happily tolerated that murdered children is an acceptable price for their right to bear arms.
I have a reasoned expectation that even a slaughterhouse incident of even 60, 70 or even a hundred student deaths in one incident won't be enough to change the American attitude to their guns.
Mass killings in America are an accepted norm and it doesn't seem to make any difference to their debate and culture whether its pensioners or babies, or anywhere in between.
durbster said:
It is staggering how blind they are to this. Their kids being murdered regularly gets zero reaction from government but any hint of radical Islam and they'll upend their entire country to address it.
Do they though and do we? What do we do to address Islamic attacks?
Some may say ban Islam but that's obviously not going to happen because it will upset to many people and it's just over the top. It's the same with guns in America, they are not just guns it's a ideology and principal of freedom to them just like a religion.
Sad Times, we were in the area about 14 months back at the large mall just a few blocks away, looking back we went past several towns featuring hostage takings, mass shootings and more while we drove round Florida, yet drive around here in England and your likely to pass far less tragic locations, kinda says something about the situation.
Not-The-Messiah said:
durbster said:
It is staggering how blind they are to this. Their kids being murdered regularly gets zero reaction from government but any hint of radical Islam and they'll upend their entire country to address it.
Do they though and do we? What do we do to address Islamic attacks?
Some may say ban Islam but that's obviously not going to happen because it will upset to many people and it's just over the top. It's the same with guns in America, they are not just guns it's a ideology and principal of freedom to them just like a religion.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
Trump loves to go on about banning Muslims and 'The Wall' so what is he doing about the exact danger from the other side? Since 2016 its way more deaths from whites/nutters with guns (vegas being the obvious one)
Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 15th February 08:38
TheLimla said:
I was in Vegas a few weeks after the shooting there. We went to a comedy show in the Tropicana whilst there. One of the comedians talked about the shooting and blamed terrorists, stating "you won't stop us having fun!" The crowd cheered at that point. My mind was blown!
isnt that quite a normal thing to say after such an event?The sentiment is echoed in all sorts of places after terrorist attacks.
surveyor said:
Awful tragic etc
Have seen a powerful video of Sandy Hook Senator: 'This happens nowhere else'
There really is an obvious link between guns and mass shootings. Those who cannot see it are either blind or American.
there are countries with similar gun laws where mass shootings do not occur (Switzerland, Iceland etc.) so it's more about gun "culture" and mental health politicsHave seen a powerful video of Sandy Hook Senator: 'This happens nowhere else'
There really is an obvious link between guns and mass shootings. Those who cannot see it are either blind or American.
They need to sort out the "you must be popular in school" problem before any of this will start to reduce.
The youth of the US are subjected to insane levels of advertising, the cult of celebrity and a high school system that alienates anyone who does not quite fit in to the marketed stereotype.
Add in to the mix that guns are readily available and its a perfect storm.
I would have been crucified in the US school system.
The youth of the US are subjected to insane levels of advertising, the cult of celebrity and a high school system that alienates anyone who does not quite fit in to the marketed stereotype.
Add in to the mix that guns are readily available and its a perfect storm.
I would have been crucified in the US school system.
p1stonhead said:
TheLimla said:
I was in Vegas a few weeks after the shooting there. We went to a comedy show in the Tropicana whilst there. One of the comedians talked about the shooting and blamed terrorists, stating "you won't stop us having fun!" The crowd cheered at that point. My mind was blown!
isnt that quite a normal thing to say after such an event?The sentiment is echoed in all sorts of places after terrorist attacks.
HannsG said:
I don't think this is fixable. The right bleat on about the NRA and second amendment.
The left are polar opposites. They can't debate this.
It's simply not fixable. Ever.The left are polar opposites. They can't debate this.
The whole US is awash with guns. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Let's take a hypothetical situation where the US passes draconian gun laws and you end up with something like the UK (it's hypothetical, ok).
- millions and millions of guns are in the hands of criminals. Are they giving them back? Thought not.
- there are an awful lot of people who regard their rights to own guns as fundamental, and the government as some kind of enemy. I was reading about just such people yesterday ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43038598 )
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that banning guns, restricting access etc etc isn't going to go down at all well with a lot of people. Trying to take them by force will result in a bloodbath.
My own personal view is that it's their country. Their mess. They want loony laws where you can walk around the streets either with a weapon concealed or in a holster (I mean, really, wtf?) then knock yourself out. It's not the UK. It's not Europe. It's another world. They can keep it, along with their health care system.
I really don't see what they can do to fix it at all.
(Compare with the UK where - if you take away gun deaths that are criminals killing other criminals - the number must be practically zero (It's very rare to hear of someone getting shot here and it isn't some drug dealer etc))
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