Where is the dark web, and what's on it?
Discussion
Ayahuasca said:
Does not your VPN provider know what you are doing?
With my VPN I cannot even access Netflix or the BBC iPlayer from aboard, never mind the Dark Web, because Netflix or the BBC spots it!
Go with a smaller VPN, or one that is more dynamic with its servers.With my VPN I cannot even access Netflix or the BBC iPlayer from aboard, never mind the Dark Web, because Netflix or the BBC spots it!
BBC and Netflix and others will block ip addresses once they see many requests from it and so figure out that it being used to access from abroad so you need a VPN which will allow you to keep changing the UK server"s address.
Kermit power said:
Something which puzzles me with this scumbag who was in the news yesterday... I understand him using the Dark Web to share all the scummy things he blackmailed people into doing, but presumably he didn't meet or communicate with his victims on the Dark Web, so why wouldn't he be caught doing that sort of stuff in the open? And if there's a good reason for him not to be caught on the normal web, why use the Dark one in the first place?
He would probably have been accessing 'normal web' websites through TOR.Simplistically TOR can do two things:
1) Allow you to access .onion sites on the 'Dark Web'
2) Allow you to anonymously visit normal websites on the 'normal' web.
Essentially he would have been accessing the 'normal' websites and services *through* the Dark Web for that part of his depraved activity, rather than visiting sites *on* the Dark Web, which he did then do to share the results.
Edited by pip t on Tuesday 20th February 21:48
General Price said:
Yeah, but get caught & that shallot. 
t.
Harry Biscuit said:
General Price said:
Yeah, but get caught & that shallot. 
Spoon Burner said:
How on Earth do you know so much technical information about this? Is it years of playing with computers & reading dozens of books?
IT security is a big part of my job, I've been in IT for over 20 years now, and I wouldn't be very good at my job if I didn't keep up to date with what is possible. The dark web is a term for sites running on protocols like Tor or Freenet instead of the normal web. You'd install a client program to connect to the network, then you'd be able to visit websites through your web browser. First download Tor Browser, then get for better protection I suggest to get vpn or proxy like this one https://buy.fineproxy.org/eng/index.html . But .onion sites are always poorly made. There's an uncensored wikipedia somewhere on the hidden wiki. It's probably the most interesting thing on there unless you do want something illegal or to learn how to hack.
there's no real legitimate use for the dark web imo, it's main use is child pornography and the selling of drugs, with a few scammers thrown in there too.
also beware when researching it, google has lots of .onion.direct sites now indexed
very impressed the police caught matthew falder and hopefully it sends a message out to others.
it's just a shame that with this kind of privacy also comes an insane amount of ball ache to catch these people - 4 years of investigation and hundreds of investigators from around the world, consulting with the top intelligence services from different countries to catch one man acting alone in his room.
also beware when researching it, google has lots of .onion.direct sites now indexed
very impressed the police caught matthew falder and hopefully it sends a message out to others.
it's just a shame that with this kind of privacy also comes an insane amount of ball ache to catch these people - 4 years of investigation and hundreds of investigators from around the world, consulting with the top intelligence services from different countries to catch one man acting alone in his room.
WCZ said:
there's no real legitimate use for the dark web imo, it's main use is child pornography and the selling of drugs, with a few scammers thrown in there too.
also beware when researching it, google has lots of .onion.direct sites now indexed
very impressed the police caught matthew falder and hopefully it sends a message out to others.
it's just a shame that with this kind of privacy also comes an insane amount of ball ache to catch these people - 4 years of investigation and hundreds of investigators from around the world, consulting with the top intelligence services from different countries to catch one man acting alone in his room.
There are many perfectly legitimate uses for the dark web, as have been detailed several times on the thread above. To briefly list a few:also beware when researching it, google has lots of .onion.direct sites now indexed
very impressed the police caught matthew falder and hopefully it sends a message out to others.
it's just a shame that with this kind of privacy also comes an insane amount of ball ache to catch these people - 4 years of investigation and hundreds of investigators from around the world, consulting with the top intelligence services from different countries to catch one man acting alone in his room.
- Human rights activists in oppressive regimes
- Illegal minorities in oppressive regimes (eg homosexuals in Iran)
- Journalists protecting sources
- Whistleblowers
- Security agencies protecting officers in the field
- People who are concerned about their online privacy
- People using it altruistically to improve the effectiveness of it for those who genuinely need it's protection
You really have to actively look for the seedy/illegal/abusive onion services. It's completely possible to never come across any. You almost certainly won't just stumble across them. I've used TOR on and off for years, and I've never seen anything illegal. I'm sure it's out there, we know it's out there from operations against it detailed in the press, but you are unlikely to accidentally access it.
Yes, this level of 'privacy' does make it difficult for the police & security services to track offenders using it for unpleasant purposes. However, I would say the benefits of it's existence outweigh the negatives. I'm not a 'tin foil hatter' - I accept the fact that we are under surveillance on the internet, both commercially and from government agencies, and I can see the benefits of it. But I don't like it much, and I like the fact that there are ways to counteract it should you wish to.
Any technology can be used for evil. It's up to society to find ways to root out the evil, while keeping the benefits the technology brings.
FredAstaire said:
Been listening to part one today. Interesting content, but the constant references to the book he got the info from and his lack of dynamism make it a difficult listen.
That’s the narrators style, he’s an anonymous part of the team and has become a sort of cult figure because of it.Early in the podcasts history he did do some acting of parts but it Jarred slightly so he is what we’ve got. Most of us like it.
Their telling of the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker case is absolutely fascinating.
Can anyone answer some TOR questions for me?
Who in the hell would host an exit node? Won't their IP look like a wretched hive of scum and villany? Secondly whilst I understand the middle relays don't know your IP won't the actual .onion site you're connecting to need to know your IP in order to route anything back to you? If so, can't the FBI/NCA just set up their own .onion site with some promising clickbait and get lots of 'target rich' IP's from that? Lastly I read there are only something like 5000 server relays. Isn't it entirely possible that half of them are FBI/NSA/DOJ/CIA? In which case wouldn't it be relatively simple to track many connections from guard to exit node? It seems very suspicious to me that the US military would set up a highly secret communication protocol seemingly ideal for criminals, terrorists and 'rogue' states and then sit back and go, ''oh no there's nothing we can do''....
Who in the hell would host an exit node? Won't their IP look like a wretched hive of scum and villany? Secondly whilst I understand the middle relays don't know your IP won't the actual .onion site you're connecting to need to know your IP in order to route anything back to you? If so, can't the FBI/NCA just set up their own .onion site with some promising clickbait and get lots of 'target rich' IP's from that? Lastly I read there are only something like 5000 server relays. Isn't it entirely possible that half of them are FBI/NSA/DOJ/CIA? In which case wouldn't it be relatively simple to track many connections from guard to exit node? It seems very suspicious to me that the US military would set up a highly secret communication protocol seemingly ideal for criminals, terrorists and 'rogue' states and then sit back and go, ''oh no there's nothing we can do''....
Quite an interesting video by a uni professor on how the TOR network communicates.
https://youtu.be/lVcbq_a5N9I
https://youtu.be/lVcbq_a5N9I
fblm said:
Can anyone answer some TOR questions for me?
Who in the hell would host an exit node? Won't their IP look like a wretched hive of scum and villany? Secondly whilst I understand the middle relays don't know your IP won't the actual .onion site you're connecting to need to know your IP in order to route anything back to you? If so, can't the FBI/NCA just set up their own .onion site with some promising clickbait and get lots of 'target rich' IP's from that? Lastly I read there are only something like 5000 server relays. Isn't it entirely possible that half of them are FBI/NSA/DOJ/CIA? In which case wouldn't it be relatively simple to track many connections from guard to exit node? It seems very suspicious to me that the US military would set up a highly secret communication protocol seemingly ideal for criminals, terrorists and 'rogue' states and then sit back and go, ''oh no there's nothing we can do''....
I have the same questions.Who in the hell would host an exit node? Won't their IP look like a wretched hive of scum and villany? Secondly whilst I understand the middle relays don't know your IP won't the actual .onion site you're connecting to need to know your IP in order to route anything back to you? If so, can't the FBI/NCA just set up their own .onion site with some promising clickbait and get lots of 'target rich' IP's from that? Lastly I read there are only something like 5000 server relays. Isn't it entirely possible that half of them are FBI/NSA/DOJ/CIA? In which case wouldn't it be relatively simple to track many connections from guard to exit node? It seems very suspicious to me that the US military would set up a highly secret communication protocol seemingly ideal for criminals, terrorists and 'rogue' states and then sit back and go, ''oh no there's nothing we can do''....
Also wrt VPN sites and anonymous email sites listed on the other page - given they are anonymous, how do you know who’s running them. The feds probably run the majority of these servers as a massive receptical to profile low level / intermediate crime.
fblm said:
Can anyone answer some TOR questions for me?
Who in the hell would host an exit node? Won't their IP look like a wretched hive of scum and villany? Secondly whilst I understand the middle relays don't know your IP won't the actual .onion site you're connecting to need to know your IP in order to route anything back to you? If so, can't the FBI/NCA just set up their own .onion site with some promising clickbait and get lots of 'target rich' IP's from that? Lastly I read there are only something like 5000 server relays. Isn't it entirely possible that half of them are FBI/NSA/DOJ/CIA? In which case wouldn't it be relatively simple to track many connections from guard to exit node? It seems very suspicious to me that the US military would set up a highly secret communication protocol seemingly ideal for criminals, terrorists and 'rogue' states and then sit back and go, ''oh no there's nothing we can do''....
It obviously suits certain agencies that this pit of filth is allowed to perpetuate.Who in the hell would host an exit node? Won't their IP look like a wretched hive of scum and villany? Secondly whilst I understand the middle relays don't know your IP won't the actual .onion site you're connecting to need to know your IP in order to route anything back to you? If so, can't the FBI/NCA just set up their own .onion site with some promising clickbait and get lots of 'target rich' IP's from that? Lastly I read there are only something like 5000 server relays. Isn't it entirely possible that half of them are FBI/NSA/DOJ/CIA? In which case wouldn't it be relatively simple to track many connections from guard to exit node? It seems very suspicious to me that the US military would set up a highly secret communication protocol seemingly ideal for criminals, terrorists and 'rogue' states and then sit back and go, ''oh no there's nothing we can do''....
Only when the hopeless mainstream media and politicians wise up to how this stuff works will they start to ask questions.
Similar to how its only in the last year or so that Twitter and Facebook etc are starting to feel the pressure - it's taken it this long for the mainstream to wake up and understand.
fblm said:
Can anyone answer some TOR questions for me?
Who in the hell would host an exit node?
Every TOR node is a potential exit point, in practice some don't pass any traffic is a way not dissimilar to leaching on p2p networks. The main ones are freedom/privacy advocates, both personal and commercial, who regard the fall out as a price worth paying.Who in the hell would host an exit node?
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