Iceland to ban circumcision
Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
FGM used to be called female circumcision. So they renamed it FGM to differentiate and make sure people understood the huge gap in seriousness. But then idiots started to refer to circumcision as MGM, which really hampers the battle against FGM.
We currently have laws against handheld mobile phone use, which are largely ignored with not many prosecutions. Do you think it would help if we banned changing the car radio station whilst driving?
You never did answer my question -We currently have laws against handheld mobile phone use, which are largely ignored with not many prosecutions. Do you think it would help if we banned changing the car radio station whilst driving?
amusingduck said:
Why are you so obsessed with this "one at a time" approach?
Should we put a stop to making progress with LGBT equality until we have completely eradicated the equality issues that women face?
Should we put a stop to making progress with LGBT equality until we have completely eradicated the equality issues that women face?
DurianIceCream said:
Question for the anti-circumcision camp on this thread:
Were you aware of any medical effects, such as HIV, HPV prophylaxis, before you read this thread?
Yes, very much aware, and have discussed with the Secretary of State for Health, in how irrelevant it is to mutilating babies.Were you aware of any medical effects, such as HIV, HPV prophylaxis, before you read this thread?
Just so you are aware, the description used by him is 'non-therapeutic male circumcision' .
HPV is best combated by vaccination, not cutting bits off babies - for example Scotland has had a reduction of c80-90%+ in relevant HPV following their programme of vaccination.
HIV is best combated by condom use which is at least 90% effective - the issue being using condoms effectively
Both HPV and HIV are issues for those becoming sexually active, and are best managed (and hopefully beaten) by modern social & medical approaches, not a a ancient tribal marking and Victorian anti-masturbation approach.
If however an adult wishes to have parts of himself cut off, as long as he clearly understands the risks, then he can pay to have that done to him.
WinstonWolf said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Ayahuasca said:
I think that banning MGM would help in the fight against FGM too -
Because some people view MGM as a 'minor procedure' with few downsides, people who do not understand what FGM is might believe it is on the same level - a 'minor procedure' - any dismiss any concerns over it. A lot of the FGM campaign seems to be about telling people how bad it is - educating them. If MGM were banned too, there would be a clear unambiguous message that ANY GM is unacceptable.
Saying MGM is OK and FGM is bad is a mixed message that does the anti-FGM campaign no favours.
FGM used to be called female circumcision. So they renamed it FGM to differentiate and make sure people understood the huge gap in seriousness. But then idiots started to refer to circumcision as MGM, which really hampers the battle against FGM.Because some people view MGM as a 'minor procedure' with few downsides, people who do not understand what FGM is might believe it is on the same level - a 'minor procedure' - any dismiss any concerns over it. A lot of the FGM campaign seems to be about telling people how bad it is - educating them. If MGM were banned too, there would be a clear unambiguous message that ANY GM is unacceptable.
Saying MGM is OK and FGM is bad is a mixed message that does the anti-FGM campaign no favours.
We currently have laws against handheld mobile phone use, which are largely ignored with not many prosecutions. Do you think it would help if we banned changing the car radio station whilst driving?
dai1983 said:
The Surveyor said:
Tattooing children is illegal, what's your point?
Why is it illegal? It's how the county is run, thankfully not by mob rule and anti-'whatever I don't like today' rule, but considered and well thought out argument.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
WinstonWolf said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Ayahuasca said:
I think that banning MGM would help in the fight against FGM too -
Because some people view MGM as a 'minor procedure' with few downsides, people who do not understand what FGM is might believe it is on the same level - a 'minor procedure' - any dismiss any concerns over it. A lot of the FGM campaign seems to be about telling people how bad it is - educating them. If MGM were banned too, there would be a clear unambiguous message that ANY GM is unacceptable.
Saying MGM is OK and FGM is bad is a mixed message that does the anti-FGM campaign no favours.
FGM used to be called female circumcision. So they renamed it FGM to differentiate and make sure people understood the huge gap in seriousness. But then idiots started to refer to circumcision as MGM, which really hampers the battle against FGM.Because some people view MGM as a 'minor procedure' with few downsides, people who do not understand what FGM is might believe it is on the same level - a 'minor procedure' - any dismiss any concerns over it. A lot of the FGM campaign seems to be about telling people how bad it is - educating them. If MGM were banned too, there would be a clear unambiguous message that ANY GM is unacceptable.
Saying MGM is OK and FGM is bad is a mixed message that does the anti-FGM campaign no favours.
We currently have laws against handheld mobile phone use, which are largely ignored with not many prosecutions. Do you think it would help if we banned changing the car radio station whilst driving?
Ayahuasca said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
WinstonWolf said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Ayahuasca said:
I think that banning MGM would help in the fight against FGM too -
Because some people view MGM as a 'minor procedure' with few downsides, people who do not understand what FGM is might believe it is on the same level - a 'minor procedure' - any dismiss any concerns over it. A lot of the FGM campaign seems to be about telling people how bad it is - educating them. If MGM were banned too, there would be a clear unambiguous message that ANY GM is unacceptable.
Saying MGM is OK and FGM is bad is a mixed message that does the anti-FGM campaign no favours.
FGM used to be called female circumcision. So they renamed it FGM to differentiate and make sure people understood the huge gap in seriousness. But then idiots started to refer to circumcision as MGM, which really hampers the battle against FGM.Because some people view MGM as a 'minor procedure' with few downsides, people who do not understand what FGM is might believe it is on the same level - a 'minor procedure' - any dismiss any concerns over it. A lot of the FGM campaign seems to be about telling people how bad it is - educating them. If MGM were banned too, there would be a clear unambiguous message that ANY GM is unacceptable.
Saying MGM is OK and FGM is bad is a mixed message that does the anti-FGM campaign no favours.
We currently have laws against handheld mobile phone use, which are largely ignored with not many prosecutions. Do you think it would help if we banned changing the car radio station whilst driving?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If you believe FGM and circumcision are the same thing, it's you who needs a head wobble.
The bits that are illegal in the UK are the same. FGM has a wider and much worse scope overall, but the definition of what is illegal FGM also covers circumcision. Unless you meant something else.DurianIceCream said:
You are an idiot. Where are the billions of circumcised men seeking revenge on their parents? They don't exist.
Why don't you go to Israel or Australia where there are plenty of circumcised men and tell them how angry they need to be. Idiot.
Resorting to name calling is always the sign of desperation, have I got under your skin, oh yes you refuse to answer that question.Why don't you go to Israel or Australia where there are plenty of circumcised men and tell them how angry they need to be. Idiot.
you may not have noticed there are quite a few angry men here, it is possibly a clue for you.
Dixy said:
Resorting to name calling is always the sign of desperation, have I got under your skin, oh yes you refuse to answer that question.
you may not have noticed there are quite a few angry men here, it is possibly a clue for you.
What are you talking about? The post I replied that you were an idiot, you didn't ask a question. It was just a statement that you hope I would end up in an old folks home. You seem irate that I haven't answered your question, but you haven't asked a question. Are you asking which old folks home I'd least like to be put in?you may not have noticed there are quite a few angry men here, it is possibly a clue for you.
Dixy said:
DurianIceCream said:
You are an idiot. Where are the billions of circumcised men seeking revenge on their parents? They don't exist.
Why don't you go to Israel or Australia where there are plenty of circumcised men and tell them how angry they need to be. Idiot.
Resorting to name calling is always the sign of desperation, have I got under your skin, oh yes you refuse to answer that question.Why don't you go to Israel or Australia where there are plenty of circumcised men and tell them how angry they need to be. Idiot.
you may not have noticed there are quite a few angry men here, it is possibly a clue for you.
dvs_dave said:
An idiot cannot be reasoned with, as evidenced by the fanatical volition of this particular one. His perception of the world is clearly very different to everyone else’s.
So have you worked out what question Dxie was asking then Dave?My perception is obv different to people on this thread. Perhaps not different to parliament, since circumcision is lawful, but other things like FGM are not.
The Surveyor said:
Because those nice trusting folk in the Houses of Parliament who we voted for and who we granted authority to make difficult decisions decided that tattooing children isn't very nice. The same people who decided that Female Genital Mutilation is also deeply unpleasant, but that the circumcision of babies for cultural reasons with the consent of the parents is less so, and would be permitted.
It's how the county is run, thankfully not by mob rule and anti-'whatever I don't like today' rule, but considered and well thought out argument.
TBH I have no axe to grind against it nor am I part of some rabid mob you describe. I do however believe in someone’s modern freedom to do what they want to their own bodies and their choice to follow a certain religion. It's how the county is run, thankfully not by mob rule and anti-'whatever I don't like today' rule, but considered and well thought out argument.
Once you cut someone they have a permanent representation of certain religions forced upon them. There’s advantages and disadvantages to the procedure so it’s only fair the person gets to choose what happens to their own body.
For similar reasons I don’t agree with having babies and young kids christened/baptised. These days this is usually a charade done so the child can attend the better local Christian school though!
don'tbesilly said:
DurianIceCream said:
the procedure also has mild medical benefits.
Can you point out the mild medical benefits circumcision offers a baby that displays no requirement for such a procedure to be carried out?Are you ever going to answer the above?
I'm sure you'd agree that for someone with such strongly held opinions as you have, it should be quite an easy one.
don'tbesilly said:
don'tbesilly said:
DurianIceCream said:
the procedure also has mild medical benefits.
Can you point out the mild medical benefits circumcision offers a baby that displays no requirement for such a procedure to be carried out?Are you ever going to answer the above?
I'm sure you'd agree that for someone with such strongly held opinions as you have, it should be quite an easy one.
Kccv23highliftcam said:
One thing that is noticeable on PH currently, across the board, is the emergence on threads of one individual poster who will take a contrary stance to the direction of threads who will show unusual persistence in inflaming the arguments through the length of the thread..
That has happened for at least the last 15 years. Although nowadays with less grace admittedlyGassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff