Iceland to ban circumcision

[Dromedary66]

RTB said:

Kccv23highliftcam said:

One thing that is noticeable on PH currently, across the board, is the emergence on threads of one individual poster who will take a contrary stance to the direction of threads who will show unusual persistence in inflaming the arguments through the length of the thread..

That has happened for at least the last 15 years. Although nowadays with less grace admittedly

Twigthewonderkid is a professional contrarian.

Edited by Dromedary66 on Saturday 24th February 10:08

[DurianIceCream]

dvs_dave said:

He won’t, and we all know why.

You have made up why

I won't respond with what religion, if any I am, other than I have no religious beliefs which require circumcision. This is because personal anecdotes are irrelevant in a world where a billion odd people are circumcised. I won't latch onto individual stories from people who think circumcision is great or comment on individual stories where it isn't good.

There are a lot people on this thread who just cannot digest an opinion contrary to their beliefs. Circumcision is ok because it is within the remit of what is for parents to decide for their children. It is widely practiced and it is either harmless or beneficial.

I think I've been asked three of four times on this thread if I think FGM is ok. About five times why not wait until adulthood. About five times about why not use condone to prevent HIV etc. Same questions over and over. Same answer in every time. Just does not compute with you lot, so you just have to keep asking the same thing again.

[CubanPete]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Ayahuasca said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

WinstonWolf said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Ayahuasca said:

I think that banning MGM would help in the fight against FGM too -

Because some people view MGM as a 'minor procedure' with few downsides, people who do not understand what FGM is might believe it is on the same level - a 'minor procedure' - any dismiss any concerns over it. A lot of the FGM campaign seems to be about telling people how bad it is - educating them. If MGM were banned too, there would be a clear unambiguous message that ANY GM is unacceptable.

Saying MGM is OK and FGM is bad is a mixed message that does the anti-FGM campaign no favours.

FGM used to be called female circumcision. So they renamed it FGM to differentiate and make sure people understood the huge gap in seriousness. But then idiots started to refer to circumcision as MGM, which really hampers the battle against FGM.

We currently have laws against handheld mobile phone use, which are largely ignored with not many prosecutions. Do you think it would help if we banned changing the car radio station whilst driving?

No, it treats genital modification in babies equally. No one should be cutting bits off babies without their consent.

Perhaps we should call ear piercing on children audio organ mutilation.

We are not talking about piercing. We are talking about cutting bits off. If you believe they are the same thing give your head a wobble. And try cutting off your children's ears and see what happens to you.

If you believe FGM and circumcision are the same thing, it's you who needs a head wobble.

Being beaten up, stabbed or shot are different too. They are all bodily harm, just because being beaten up is less severe than being stabbed or shot doesn't make it not bodily harm, or make it acceptable.

Genital mutilation is genital mutilation. Saying it isn't because it isn't severe enough is bks.

[gooner1]

DurianIceCream said:

dvs_dave said:

An idiot cannot be reasoned with, as evidenced by the fanatical volition of this particular ?one. His perception of the world is clearly very different to everyone else’s.

So have you worked out what question Dxie was asking then Dave?

My perception is obv different to people on this thread. Perhaps not different to parliament, since circumcision is lawful, but other things like FGM are not.

Parliament agrees with the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia too.
What are your thoughts on that?

[DurianIceCream]

gooner1 said:

Parliament agrees with the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia too.
What are your thoughts on that?

Saudi sponsors terrorism (not at a govt level, but they know about it), they oppress women are engaged in a proxy war in Yemen. I don't have a problem with arms sales in general.

Likewise backyard circumcision with unsterile instruments is wrong. Circumcision in general is fine.

[amusingduck]

DurianIceCream said:

You have made up why

I won't respond with what religion, if any I am, other than I have no religious beliefs which require circumcision. This is because personal anecdotes are irrelevant in a world where a billion odd people are circumcised. I won't latch onto individual stories from people who think circumcision is great or comment on individual stories where it isn't good.

There are a lot people on this thread who just cannot digest an opinion contrary to their beliefs. Circumcision is ok because it is within the remit of what is for parents to decide for their children. It is widely practiced and it is either harmless or beneficial.

I think I've been asked three of four times on this thread if I think FGM is ok. About five times why not wait until adulthood. About five times about why not use condone to prevent HIV etc. Same questions over and over. Same answer in every time. Just does not compute with you lot, so you just have to keep asking the same thing again.

Where are your personal limits for what falls within what is reasonable for parents to decide?

Are tattoos reasonable? Piercings? Any other kind of body modification that you find acceptable for a parent to decide?

[NDA]

DurianIceCream said:

It is widely practiced and it is either harmless or beneficial.

I don't think either of those things is true. Far from it.

[DurianIceCream]

amusingduck said:

Where are your personal limits for what falls within what is reasonable for parents to decide?

Are tattoos reasonable? Piercings? Any other kind of body modification that you find acceptable for a parent to decide?

This has been asked before in this thread. The anti circumcision brigade is sure full of moral outrage. Not so good at reading though.

[Troubleatmill]

NDA said:

DurianIceCream said:

It is widely practiced and it is either harmless or beneficial.

I don't think either of those things is true. Far from it.

Botched circumsion photo's below from just one area.
http://www.ulwaluko.co.za/Photos.html


Edit... more horror photographs
http://www.senslip-europe.com/circumcision----disa...

But thankfully DurianIceCream believes it is either harmless or beneficial.

Edited by Troubleatmill on Saturday 24th February 12:10

[amusingduck]

DurianIceCream said:

amusingduck said:

Where are your personal limits for what falls within what is reasonable for parents to decide?

Are tattoos reasonable? Piercings? Any other kind of body modification that you find acceptable for a parent to decide?

This has been asked before in this thread. The anti circumcision brigade is sure full of moral outrage. Not so good at reading though.

Yes, I asked you. You didn't answer, so I asked again.

You have not answered my question in any post you've made on this thread.

I don't expect you will either, as it'd highlight the hypocrisy of your circumcision stance (you too Twig). Either that or mark you out as an authoritarian loon

[Kccv23highliftcam]

CubanPete said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Ayahuasca said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

WinstonWolf said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Ayahuasca said:

I think that banning MGM would help in the fight against FGM too -

Because some people view MGM as a 'minor procedure' with few downsides, people who do not understand what FGM is might believe it is on the same level - a 'minor procedure' - any dismiss any concerns over it. A lot of the FGM campaign seems to be about telling people how bad it is - educating them. If MGM were banned too, there would be a clear unambiguous message that ANY GM is unacceptable.

Saying MGM is OK and FGM is bad is a mixed message that does the anti-FGM campaign no favours.

FGM used to be called female circumcision. So they renamed it FGM to differentiate and make sure people understood the huge gap in seriousness. But then idiots started to refer to circumcision as MGM, which really hampers the battle against FGM.

We currently have laws against handheld mobile phone use, which are largely ignored with not many prosecutions. Do you think it would help if we banned changing the car radio station whilst driving?

No, it treats genital modification in babies equally. No one should be cutting bits off babies without their consent.

Perhaps we should call ear piercing on children audio organ mutilation.

We are not talking about piercing. We are talking about cutting bits off. If you believe they are the same thing give your head a wobble. And try cutting off your children's ears and see what happens to you.

If you believe FGM and circumcision are the same thing, it's you who needs a head wobble.

Being beaten up, stabbed or shot are different too. They are all bodily harm, just because being beaten up is less severe than being stabbed or shot doesn't make it not bodily harm, or make it acceptable.

Genital mutilation is genital mutilation. Saying it isn't because it isn't severe enough is bks.

[Dromedary66]

Troubleatmill said:

Edit... more horror photographs
http://www.senslip-europe.com/circumcision----disa...

But thankfully DurianIceCream believes it is either harmless or beneficial.

Edited by Troubleatmill on Saturday 24th February 12:10

Absolutely sickening and those ones would have been done in hospitals and not backyard procedures.
Babies losing their penises through the sheer ignorance and arrogance of their parents - a completely unnecessary "operation". 100% wrong. Needs to be outlawed for all non-therapeutic reasons.

I dearly hope for those parents it haunts them till the day they die. s.

Edited by Dromedary66 on Saturday 24th February 13:20

Edited by Dromedary66 on Saturday 24th February 13:20

[Troubleatmill]

Dromedary66 said:

Absolutely sickening and those ones would have been done in hospitals and not backyard procedures.
Babies losing their penises through the sheer ignorance and arrogance of their parents - a completely unnecessary "operation". 100% wrong. Needs to be outlawed for all non-therapeutic reasons.

I dearly hope for those parents it haunts them till the day they die. s.

Just imagine the last few thousand years and the number of infection chappies who lost the tip of their chappie have been suffering.

But Sky Fairy is happy - It is what he wanted most.

And the mild benefits - marvellous.

[98elise]

NDA said:

DurianIceCream said:

It is widely practiced and it is either harmless or beneficial.

I don't think either of those things is true. Far from it.

I would agree. My son had a circumcision for medication reasons when he was young. He found the increased sensitivity uncomfortable for quite some time afterwards.

He's now 19 and suffers with anxiety and depression. He has a poor self image and his circumcision (being unusual in the UK) is one of the hang ups he has.

It's certainly not been harmless in his case.

My view is that non medical circumcision is mutilation and should be banned.

[tannhauser]

Dromedary66 said:

Troubleatmill said:

Edit... more horror photographs
http://www.senslip-europe.com/circumcision----disa...

But thankfully DurianIceCream believes it is either harmless or beneficial.

Edited by Troubleatmill on Saturday 24th February 12:10

Absolutely sickening and those ones would have been done in hospitals and not backyard procedures.
Babies losing their penises through the sheer ignorance and arrogance of their parents - a completely unnecessary "operation". 100% wrong. Needs to be outlawed for all non-therapeutic reasons.

I dearly hope for those parents it haunts them till the day they die. s.

Fully agree

[tannhauser]

98elise said:

NDA said:

DurianIceCream said:

It is widely practiced and it is either harmless or beneficial.

I don't think either of those things is true. Far from it.

I would agree. My son had a circumcision for medication reasons when he was young. He found the increased sensitivity uncomfortable for quite some time afterwards.

He's now 19 and suffers with anxiety and depression. He has a poor self image and his circumcision (being unusual in the UK) is one of the hang ups he has.

It's certainly not been harmless in his case.

My view is that non medical circumcision is mutilation and should be banned.

Poor lad

Weird how in the US, the land of foreskin choppers and cock mutilators; that they look upon "uncut" guys' penises as unusual/ugly.

[CubanPete]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

CubanPete said:

I accept the outcome of FGM is worse, but the intent is the same,

The intent is not the same at all. Given that all Abrahamic religions are patriarchal, it would be ridiculous that the idea of circumcision is to subjugate men. Whereas FGM is all about subjugating women.

In Judaism, they circumcise men but do not carry out FGM. So you think a male dominated and controlled religion wants to put men at a disadvantage to women??

Yeah...right!

Not sure at all what you are arguing here?

I was making my judgement by modern educated standards, not by those of thousands of years old made up fairy stories from religions that prey on the ignorant.

Mutilation is mutilation. I don't think either is acceptable.

[tannhauser]

Troubleatmill said:

NDA said:

DurianIceCream said:

It is widely practiced and it is either harmless or beneficial.

I don't think either of those things is true. Far from it.

Botched circumsion photo's below from just one area.
http://www.ulwaluko.co.za/Photos.html


Edit... more horror photographs
http://www.senslip-europe.com/circumcision----disa...

But thankfully DurianIceCream believes it is either harmless or beneficial.

And the apologists and the handwringers say this is not on a par with FGM.

s!

[DurianIceCream]

tannhauser said:

Troubleatmill said:

NDA said:

DurianIceCream said:

It is widely practiced and it is either harmless or beneficial.

I don't think either of those things is true. Far from it.

Botched circumsion photo's below from just one area.
http://www.ulwaluko.co.za/Photos.html


Edit... more horror photographs
http://www.senslip-europe.com/circumcision----disa...

But thankfully DurianIceCream believes it is either harmless or beneficial.

And the apologists and the handwringers say this is not on a par with FGM.

s!

Yep, tribal area, Eastern Cape. Poor medical facilities, high disease rate in general, untrained medical practitioners.

It's even dealt with here;
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC47094...

South Africa isn't particularly wealthy to start with and this is one of the poorest areas in South Africa. Heath care in general is bad.

It would be solved by better medical funding, which would solve a lot more than post circumcision infections. Can you find things which have gone this wrong in developed western countries? Do you propose to just ban being poor?

I also note South Africa has a high HIV prevalence rate. It is an area the WHO recommends circumcision.

Edited by DurianIceCream on Saturday 24th February 15:10

[Troubleatmill]

You forgot to comment on the pictures of those carried out in the European Union.

Please do.