Mollycoddled 'Snowflake children' warns head teacher

[WolfieBot]

Ari said:

WolfieBot said:

There's nothing remotely newsworthy about an adult putting down the generation after their own.

So you feel nothing's changed then? Young adults today are no different to young adults of 25 years ago, 50 years ago - it's just a matter of perspective?

That's not what I said. I said there's nothing new about people moaning about it. "Back in my day, blah blah blah."

It's a fact of life that the world changes massively from generation to generation, it doesn't necessarily make it better or worse. Everyone looks back at their childhood through rose tinted glasses only remembering how great it was.

[Rovinghawk]

Red 4 said:

Bloody hell - I find myself agreeing with you again.

That's twice in a few days and it has to stop.

I agree.

[BoRED S2upid]

Vaud said:

I personally think 6 is a bit young. 8+ seems reasonable, quite a few kids walk to our primary school on their own.

I agree. I can’t see my allowing little BS2 to walk to school on his own in 2 years time 8 seems a bit safer.

[mx5nut]

WolfieBot said:

That's not what I said. I said there's nothing new about people moaning about it. "Back in my day, blah blah blah."

It's a fact of life that the world changes massively from generation to generation, it doesn't necessarily make it better or worse. Everyone looks back at their childhood through rose tinted glasses only remembering how great it was.

But that doesn't make for very good hand wringing headlines in the gutter press.

[nealeh1875]

Ari said:

But as you've said yourself, insurance was dear for you too. It didn't stop you passing your driving test at 19 though.

Indeed it didn't. I really wanted to drive, can't really remember why now but i think it was down to 'my mates are doing it and i want to'.. i felt it would open so many more doors too.. could drive the vans at work = more doh , provides more freedom etc it eventually did when i hit 21.

My little bro is now eventually learning to drive, he is 25. i think he has finally realised he doesn't want to get the bus/train here there and everywhere.

The only help i got was i got my provisional and 10 first lessons paid for on my 17th birthday. i felt so lucky!

[Moonhawk]

There have been other articles over the years which highlight the difference across generation - with specific focus on freedom and roaming:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducat...

[Moonhawk]

nealeh1875 said:

I then didn't get a car until i just turned 21 and VW had a 'free insurance' on new Polo's. was cheaper to get on finance for the car, get the 1 years insurance and sort insurance in 12 months. insurance was about £1k after the 12 months, still quite a bit i thought for a 3 cylidner 1.2 ltr polo ffs.

£1k on a new Polo? I presume that was fully comp?

I passed my test at 17 but I was almost 21 by the time I got my first car - a 10 year old 1.1l Fiesta - and I payed the equivalent of £1450 in todays money for TPFT. This was back in 1995.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 21st February 16:37

[Rovinghawk]

Many years ago we wanted to go ice skating in Birmingham. My 8 y.o. brother figured the buses from Solihull to Brum centre. Together with me (7 y.o.) & my 6 y.o. sister we got the bus to central Brum together, went skating & got the bus back.

I doubt many modern 10-11 y.o. kids would be able to arrange this without internet assistance (possibly not even with it) and most parents would be horrified by the 'danger'. As a consequence the kids will develop at a much slower pace due to the cotton wool they get wrapped in.

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

WolfieBot said:

There's nothing remotely newsworthy about an adult putting down the generation after their own.

Exactly - but it's the Daily Telegraph, whose modus operandi is to tell us how things were better in the old days.

In this thread: old men wingeing about how things were better in there day, once again this has to come out....

[Moonhawk]

Rovinghawk said:

Many years ago we wanted to go ice skating in Birmingham. My 8 y.o. brother figured the buses from Solihull to Brum centre. Together with me (7 y.o.) & my 6 y.o. sister we got the bus to central Brum together, went skating & got the bus back.

I doubt many modern 10-11 y.o. kids would be able to arrange this without internet assistance (possibly not even with it) and most parents would be horrified by the 'danger'. As a consequence the kids will develop at a much slower pace due to the cotton wool they get wrapped in.

I did see a post on here a couple of years back where a guy was asking for feedback on his CV as he was going for a job.

He had “getting the bus to college on his own” down as one of his major achievements.

[Ultra Sound Guy]

Red 4 said:

It's simple - if your child is a spoilt little st/ snowflake it's your fault.

Not society's, not the school's, not the police's, not the government's fault, etc etc.

Yours. The parents.

This... This a million times over!!

[Pan Pan Pan]

Rovinghawk said:

A while back I went to the 'Ring. When I offered a couple of teens the chance to come with I heard "No point- I've driven it on a Playstation and can do it faster than you'll manage".

No concept of the real world, its risks & rewards.

The age old problem of the young from every generation, They don't know what they don't know, therefore they assume they know it all, until of course they grow up, and obtain some real life experiences. Only then will they begin to understand just what they didn't know, when they thought they knew it all!

[mx5nut]

Rovinghawk said:

A while back I went to the 'Ring. When I offered a couple of teens the chance to come with I heard "No point- I've driven it on a Playstation and can do it faster than you'll manage".

No concept of the real world, its risks & rewards.

[nealeh1875]

Moonhawk said:

nealeh1875 said:

I then didn't get a car until i just turned 21 and VW had a 'free insurance' on new Polo's. was cheaper to get on finance for the car, get the 1 years insurance and sort insurance in 12 months. insurance was about £1k after the 12 months, still quite a bit i thought for a 3 cylidner 1.2 ltr polo ffs.

£1k on a new Polo? I presume that was fully comp?

I passed my test at 17 but I was almost 21 by the time I got my first car - a 10 year old 1.1l Fiesta - and I payed the equivalent of £1450 in todays money for TPFT. This was back in 1995.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 21st February 16:37

Yeah new polo (well 12 months old after the first years free ran out) It probably ended up being about £1200 when i opted to pay monthly. (didnt have a grand spare!) so with £200 a month on a car and £100 a month out on insurance roughly its a fair chunk out of a £16-18k a year wage but i felt it was a sacrifice worth making.

if you want something, like i did, then you have to pay for it. my folks certainly didn't have the money to even pay deposit for insurance or the car let alone buy me the whole thing outright!

£1450 is crazy money for TPFT, even now i think. If it wasnt for passing my test early, and VW releasing the free ins when they did i would of struggled even longer to get a car.

[nealeh1875]

Rovinghawk said:

Many years ago we wanted to go ice skating in Birmingham. My 8 y.o. brother figured the buses from Solihull to Brum centre. Together with me (7 y.o.) & my 6 y.o. sister we got the bus to central Brum together, went skating & got the bus back.

I doubt many modern 10-11 y.o. kids would be able to arrange this without internet assistance (possibly not even with it) and most parents would be horrified by the 'danger'. As a consequence the kids will develop at a much slower pace due to the cotton wool they get wrapped in.

Waiting in the pouring rain at the 37 bus stop in just shorts and t shirt as it wasn't raining when you initially left the house 6-8hrs before.. ahh those were the days!

[Triumph Man]

BAM225 said:

Randy Winkman said:

WolfieBot said:

There's nothing remotely newsworthy about an adult putting down the generation after their own.

Exactly - but it's the Daily Telegraph, whose modus operandi is to tell us how things were better in the old days.

In this thread: old men wingeing about how things were better in there day, once again this has to come out....

Well as somebody who is apparently of this generation, I agree with the sentiments in the telegraph. People are getting wussier.

[Ari]

nealeh1875 said:

Ari said:

But as you've said yourself, insurance was dear for you too. It didn't stop you passing your driving test at 19 though.

Indeed it didn't. I really wanted to drive, can't really remember why now but i think it was down to 'my mates are doing it and i want to'.. i felt it would open so many more doors too.. could drive the vans at work = more doh , provides more freedom etc it eventually did when i hit 21.

My little bro is now eventually learning to drive, he is 25. i think he has finally realised he doesn't want to get the bus/train here there and everywhere.

The only help i got was i got my provisional and 10 first lessons paid for on my 17th birthday. i felt so lucky!

Precisely my point. When I was younger there was a real drive toward independence among everyone my age - getting a driving licence was a huge step toward that.

[Ari]

WolfieBot said:

Ari said:

WolfieBot said:

There's nothing remotely newsworthy about an adult putting down the generation after their own.

So you feel nothing's changed then? Young adults today are no different to young adults of 25 years ago, 50 years ago - it's just a matter of perspective?

That's not what I said. I said there's nothing new about people moaning about it. "Back in my day, blah blah blah."

It's a fact of life that the world changes massively from generation to generation, it doesn't necessarily make it better or worse. Everyone looks back at their childhood through rose tinted glasses only remembering how great it was.

I quite agree. But it doesn't necessarily mean it's not a valid observation either.

There appears to me to have been a huge shift in attitude amongst young adults toward the desire to get on with life, have independence, expand your horizons and basically grow up.

That's nothing to do with 'rose tinted glasses', the statistics are out there in everything from driving test passes to home buying.

[anonymous-user]

Vaud said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Lucas CAV said:

Unthinkable due to the parent's generation.
Or do you want your 6year old to do it?

I don't have a 6 year old, but objectively I don't see why not.

I personally think 6 is a bit young. 8+ seems reasonable, quite a few kids walk to our primary school on their own.

Here in germany all the children (generalisation) walk, I used to lift share with my boss and his two children would walk at age 5 and 7, you see loads of them every morning walking.

Seems to be a UK thing.

ETA; my brother and I walked to school, appx 1 mile, from my age of 8/9 so he would have been 6/7. This was around 1996.

Sad to see today, we used to spend our childhood in the woods, climbing trees, building ‘dens’, etc; you never see groups of kids out playing today.

Edited by Lord.Vader on Wednesday 21st February 17:09

[oyster]

Ari said:

It's an absolute fking log jam of parental cars around any school near me at arriving/going home time.

Maybe it was always this way and I didn't spot it when at school as I wasn't in a car, I was on a push bike.

It's amazing that we somehow expect kids to walk home (perhaps along/across busy streets, past sink estates, through dark parks) to avoid the log jam, as you put it, around school drop off and pick up times, but think nothing of fully grown adults jumping in cars to travel a few miles.

If we expect kids to be using bikes and walking to school, then surely we should be expecting adults to do likewise for work (or anything else for that matter)?