Stormzy’s attack on TM, justified or not?
Discussion
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
Red 4 said:
Does anyone know/ understand why another "musician" felt it necessary to smash up an orange Lamborghini during his performance ?
I think it was to let influential young teens know that it's ok to smash up beautiful cars becoz they is got angerz innt bruv. Probz.
They should have used a police car. (diesel Hyundai, obvs)
Keepin' it real, bruv.
Edited by Red 4 on Friday 23 February 12:39
gooner1 said:
This inquiry that's still ongoing, I wonder if it's going to take as long publishing
the reults as the one at Lakanal House in 2009.
A Fire, apparently caused, or made worse by the same, or very similar cladding
used at Grenfell. This fire resulted in the death of 6 people.
The Home Secretary at the time was TM., who when she became PM handed over the inquiry
to Gavin Barwell.
When asked when the reults were going to be published, Barwell stated that it
was currently being reviewed. This, iirc, was in 2016. 7 years after the initial fire.
Apparently , a recomendation by the London fire brigade was that all
Tower blocks be fitted with sprinklers, not an easy or cheap task admittedley.
This reccomendation was dismissed by the Housing Minister , Brandon Lewis.
Incidentally, Barwell who lost his constituency seat in the last election, is now
ensconced in No10 Downing ST. I am not aware if the results of the
Lakanal fire inquiry have as yet been published.
Now what do you think inquisitive, and perhaps impressionable people
would perhaps make of that in relation to Grenfell?
The enquiry and the technical review are two different (but obviously linked) elements. the reults as the one at Lakanal House in 2009.
A Fire, apparently caused, or made worse by the same, or very similar cladding
used at Grenfell. This fire resulted in the death of 6 people.
The Home Secretary at the time was TM., who when she became PM handed over the inquiry
to Gavin Barwell.
When asked when the reults were going to be published, Barwell stated that it
was currently being reviewed. This, iirc, was in 2016. 7 years after the initial fire.
Apparently , a recomendation by the London fire brigade was that all
Tower blocks be fitted with sprinklers, not an easy or cheap task admittedley.
This reccomendation was dismissed by the Housing Minister , Brandon Lewis.
Incidentally, Barwell who lost his constituency seat in the last election, is now
ensconced in No10 Downing ST. I am not aware if the results of the
Lakanal fire inquiry have as yet been published.
Now what do you think inquisitive, and perhaps impressionable people
would perhaps make of that in relation to Grenfell?
The enquiry is to establish the background and whether there is a need for prosecutions etc. If the enquiry was rushed, people would rightly cry 'cover-up', it will take a year or two.
The separate technical review is already well underway, The government commissioned Judith Hackitt to independently review the Building regs and Fire Safety on the back of Grenfell. She did the Piper Alpha enquiry which led to significant safety improvement in the off-shore industry so she has 'form'. The interim report was published in December and is pretty damming of the whole design, specification, construction and procurement processes which have evolved over the last few decades. Recommendations are going to have huge impact on the way tall buildings are build, refurbished, and managed, and rightly so. Any of those inquisitive and perhaps impressionable people may chose to ignore this to maintain their bias of course.
As for Stormzy, salt of the earth and good Christian lad.....
The Surveyor said:
The enquiry and the technical review are two different (but obviously linked) elements.
The enquiry is to establish the background and whether there is a need for prosecutions etc. If the enquiry was rushed, people would rightly cry 'cover-up', it will take a year or two.
The separate technical review is already well underway, The government commissioned Judith Hackitt to independently review the Building regs and Fire Safety on the back of Grenfell. She did the Piper Alpha enquiry which led to significant safety improvement in the off-shore industry so she has 'form'. The interim report was published in December and is pretty damming of the whole design, specification, construction and procurement processes which have evolved over the last few decades. Recommendations are going to have huge impact on the way tall buildings are build, refurbished, and managed, and rightly so. Any of those inquisitive and perhaps impressionable people may chose to ignore this to maintain their bias of course.
As for Stormzy, salt of the earth and good Christian lad.....
Why would you make the claim that inquisitive or impressionable people have a bias to maintain?The enquiry is to establish the background and whether there is a need for prosecutions etc. If the enquiry was rushed, people would rightly cry 'cover-up', it will take a year or two.
The separate technical review is already well underway, The government commissioned Judith Hackitt to independently review the Building regs and Fire Safety on the back of Grenfell. She did the Piper Alpha enquiry which led to significant safety improvement in the off-shore industry so she has 'form'. The interim report was published in December and is pretty damming of the whole design, specification, construction and procurement processes which have evolved over the last few decades. Recommendations are going to have huge impact on the way tall buildings are build, refurbished, and managed, and rightly so. Any of those inquisitive and perhaps impressionable people may chose to ignore this to maintain their bias of course.
As for Stormzy, salt of the earth and good Christian lad.....
So what parts off the Lakanal inquiry , if any, have been adopted, has the review come to
an end, and has it now been published?
paul789 said:
DeejRC said:
Stuff
Great post, probably very irritating for the majority of NP&E with their hatred of all things proletarian.Biker 1 said:
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
It's a sad state of affairs when the UK government have to answer to the likes of Stormzy. I think I'd rather have a slightly more authoritative government who rises above such rants.
Maybe Stormzy should instead ask the charities what happened to all the donations, rather than taking the default easy route of blaming everything on the government?
Hint - the money went into the back pockets of the charities and/or got plundered. Simplz innit.
Maybe Stormzy should instead ask the charities what happened to all the donations, rather than taking the default easy route of blaming everything on the government?
Hint - the money went into the back pockets of the charities and/or got plundered. Simplz innit.
My thoughts exactly.No fan of TM, & I cannot stand rap 'music' - how they can call themselves 'artists' is beyond me.
This Stormzy character sounds like a complete t
tthainy77 said:
Who exactly do they have to answer too then if not the British public? He's just bringing something to the fore once again that is clearly close to his heart, who wouldn't in his situation?
Using a very public medium to spread disinformation about it is not the way it should be done.Russian Troll Bot said:
thainy77 said:
Who exactly do they have to answer too then if not the British public? He's just bringing something to the fore once again that is clearly close to his heart, who wouldn't in his situation?
Using a very public medium to spread disinformation about it is not the way it should be done.But like i say, i agree it wasn't put across well and could create unrest.
Russian Troll Bot said:
thainy77 said:
Who exactly do they have to answer too then if not the British public? He's just bringing something to the fore once again that is clearly close to his heart, who wouldn't in his situation?
Using a very public medium to spread disinformation about it is not the way it should be done.Of course the public are entitled to answers, but as others have mentioned, should this be through a public enquiry or through rap 'music' aimed at a bunch of teenagers? How the hell can this Stormzy t
t 'sing' about TM being a 'savage' & the ex-residents of the Grenfell Tower somehow being robbed? Does he know something the enquiry doesn't? Has he commissioned his own separate enquiry? Perhaps they should appoint him to review the Building Regulations....Biker 1 said:
^this
Of course the public are entitled to answers, but as others have mentioned, should this be through a public enquiry or through rap 'music' aimed at a bunch of teenagers? How the hell can this Stormzy tt 'sing' about TM being a 'savage' & the ex-residents of the Grenfell Tower somehow being robbed? Does he know something the enquiry doesn't? Has he commissioned his own separate enquiry? Perhaps they should appoint him to review the Building Regulations....
Or perhaps, like i mention, it is close to his heart and he wanted to put it back in the public eye, mission accomplished. And i would put money on him being more in touch with the residents there than those carrying out the enquiry.Of course the public are entitled to answers, but as others have mentioned, should this be through a public enquiry or through rap 'music' aimed at a bunch of teenagers? How the hell can this Stormzy t
t 'sing' about TM being a 'savage' & the ex-residents of the Grenfell Tower somehow being robbed? Does he know something the enquiry doesn't? Has he commissioned his own separate enquiry? Perhaps they should appoint him to review the Building Regulations....You may not like his music or choice of words but activism through music is not a new thing. A lot of people on here seem to be hung up on who he is rather than what he was saying.
gooner1 said:
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So what parts off the Lakanal inquiry , if any, have been adopted, has the review come to
an end, and has it now been published?
Ignoring my lost sarcasm, I've no idea about the Lakanal inquiry, my comment was on what the government has done in the aftermath of the Grenfell fire and it's relevance to the reference made by Mr Stormzy in his outburst, the point being made was maybe they have learnt some lessons.So what parts off the Lakanal inquiry , if any, have been adopted, has the review come to
an end, and has it now been published?
Go on, enlighten anybody prepared to listen and tell us the full background to the Lakanal inquiry, maybe even start a thread on it
thainy77 said:
R8Steve said:
More like put himself back in the public eye, not that i'm cynical about these things or anything.
Erm, he won two awards, he's firmly in the public eye already.The Surveyor said:
R8Steve said:
The only reason that most people will have heard of him is through his opinions on the Greenfell situation, not his music.
He was performing on the Brits because of his music's popularity, not his politics. How do you get exposure? Well, saying something controversial certainly helps, as has been demonstrated here.
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