Man jailed for ramming bicycle thief with 4x4
Discussion
Having found them, what else was McKnight meant to do? Options seem to be:
1. watch them ride away on his bike, probably giving him the finger as they do so
2. wind down his window and ask "please lads can I have my bike back?" See option 1.
3. call the police and ask for an immediate response unit to be deployed to track and apprehend the villains. Yeah right. See option 1.
4. drive into the thief more gently?
1. watch them ride away on his bike, probably giving him the finger as they do so
2. wind down his window and ask "please lads can I have my bike back?" See option 1.
3. call the police and ask for an immediate response unit to be deployed to track and apprehend the villains. Yeah right. See option 1.
4. drive into the thief more gently?
ked up. Yes it was the heat of the moment but stealing is stealing. La Liga said:
hat's the alternative?
Is it allowing people to use unreasonable force / use force in revenge?
I don't think people would be too keen on that for long.
Revenge no. Stopping sombody committing a crime have at it. Why would you conflate the two?Is it allowing people to use unreasonable force / use force in revenge?
I don't think people would be too keen on that for long.
If everybody rammed those moped thieves whenever they saw them during the crime and the mayor paid their repair bill and gave them a good citizen medal I wonder it would have ended by now.
Unreasonable? Committing crime is unreasonable. So how do I as old and knackered stop somebody who might be tooled up?
Suppose I should just wade in and get stabbed.
No matter how much the bike was worth he's still driving 2 tonnes of metal into something small and squishy. I'm all for defending your property and I've no sympathy for thieves who get thumped, but this was OTT with a good chance of killing the thief for something that was probably only a few hundred quid.
8 year driving ban ? It reflects the fact he clearly can't control his temper. Drive at someone deliberately and you're in charge of a weapon, not a car.
8 year driving ban ? It reflects the fact he clearly can't control his temper. Drive at someone deliberately and you're in charge of a weapon, not a car.
Pesty said:
Revenge no. Stopping sombody committing a crime have at it. Why would you conflate the two?
If everybody rammed those moped thieves whenever they saw them during the crime and the mayor paid their repair bill and gave them a good citizen medal I wonder it would have ended by now.
Unreasonable? Committing crime is unreasonable. So how do I as old and knackered stop somebody who might be tooled up?
Suppose I should just wade in and get stabbed.
I've previously wondered that. If you did it so as to stop the attack but without then getting out and continuing to attack them it might make the difference. You'd also be defending the other motorist which might be more important than a now mangled bike. If everybody rammed those moped thieves whenever they saw them during the crime and the mayor paid their repair bill and gave them a good citizen medal I wonder it would have ended by now.
Unreasonable? Committing crime is unreasonable. So how do I as old and knackered stop somebody who might be tooled up?
Suppose I should just wade in and get stabbed.
b2hbm said:
No matter how much the bike was worth he's still driving 2 tonnes of metal into something small and squishy. I'm all for defending your property and I've no sympathy for thieves who get thumped, but this was OTT with a good chance of killing the thief for something that was probably only a few hundred quid.
8 year driving ban ? It reflects the fact he clearly can't control his temper. Drive at someone deliberately and you're in charge of a weapon, not a car.
No matter how much the bike was worth, it was his bike. Don't want to get run over by an angry man, then not nicking his bike might be a good option.. 8 year driving ban ? It reflects the fact he clearly can't control his temper. Drive at someone deliberately and you're in charge of a weapon, not a car.
Wobbegong said:
Bit more info here
http://www.alloaadvertiser.com/news/15923141.Rage_...petrifiedvictim_covered_in_blood/
Guessing his previous history may have gone against him?
I thought there must be more to this, good find. http://www.alloaadvertiser.com/news/15923141.Rage_...petrifiedvictim_covered_in_blood/
Guessing his previous history may have gone against him?
The bloke who did it was a drug dealer so pretty much scum of the earth IMO.
Absolutely no excuse for doing what he did, its a bloody bike at the end of the day yes it's crap having stuff stolen but I wonder how much stuff got stolen to pay for the drugs people were buying off him....
I'd not be happy if someone stole my stuff, but running them over would not be on my agenda. I'd save that sort of reaction for people harming my kids...
For nicking a bike maybe a few slaps at worst.
Absolutely no excuse for doing what he did, its a bloody bike at the end of the day yes it's crap having stuff stolen but I wonder how much stuff got stolen to pay for the drugs people were buying off him....
I'd not be happy if someone stole my stuff, but running them over would not be on my agenda. I'd save that sort of reaction for people harming my kids...
For nicking a bike maybe a few slaps at worst.
Anyone who sides with the notion that one can use a vehicle as a battering ram against a thief who is not presenting any physically violent risk to themselves, is not mentally fit to belong to a civilised Society.
It is no different to owning a firearm and shooting an escaping thief. Both ethically and morally wrong actions for intelligent, civilised human beings.
I abhor criminals, I would try and restrain a thief if I felt the risk to my person was in my favour while awaiting the Police, but I do not subscribe to unreasonable violence.
I will and have killed to protect my Family in extreme circumstances. However, the risk and threat have to be proportionate with no choice of escape available. Ramming a thief in a car is not proportionate. It is an increased level of criminality to that of the thief. The correct thing to do, regardless of how you think the result will go, is to report it to the Authorities.
It is no different to owning a firearm and shooting an escaping thief. Both ethically and morally wrong actions for intelligent, civilised human beings.
I abhor criminals, I would try and restrain a thief if I felt the risk to my person was in my favour while awaiting the Police, but I do not subscribe to unreasonable violence.
I will and have killed to protect my Family in extreme circumstances. However, the risk and threat have to be proportionate with no choice of escape available. Ramming a thief in a car is not proportionate. It is an increased level of criminality to that of the thief. The correct thing to do, regardless of how you think the result will go, is to report it to the Authorities.
Coolbanana said:
Anyone who sides with the notion that one can use a vehicle as a battering ram against a thief who is not presenting any physically violent risk to themselves, is not mentally fit to belong to a civilised Society.
In your opinion of course.Coolbanana said:
It is no different to owning a firearm and shooting an escaping thief. Both ethically and morally wrong actions for intelligent, civilised human beings.
Many will disagree.Morally and ethically wrong is something a bit more subjective to the individual I would have thought.
Even though the word of law is one thing, how people think of the law is another.
La Liga said:
hat's the alternative?
Is it allowing people to use unreasonable force / use force in revenge?
I don't think people would be too keen on that for long.
A formal caution seems to be the right level of punishment.Is it allowing people to use unreasonable force / use force in revenge?
I don't think people would be too keen on that for long.
Where is the evidence this was revenge, nowhere, it doesn't exist.
It is a massive injustice, the jury are a bunch of scum taking the side of the thief.
When coppers do it, they are heroes; when the public do it they are treated as crooks, this is just part of the increasing levels of control being imposed by the authorities.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/shocking-mom...
When authorities make ordinary citizens into criminals, it is the system that is broken.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/shocking-mom...
When authorities make ordinary citizens into criminals, it is the system that is broken.
4x4Tyke said:
A formal caution seems to be the right level of punishment.
Where is the evidence this was revenge, nowhere, it doesn't exist.
It is a massive injustice, the jury are a bunch of scum taking the side of the thief.
I imagine that he would have got a much lighter punishment had he not already got a two page list of convictions and already done time. Where is the evidence this was revenge, nowhere, it doesn't exist.
It is a massive injustice, the jury are a bunch of scum taking the side of the thief.
4x4Tyke said:
When coppers do it, they are heroes; when the public do it they are treated as crooks, this is just part of the increasing levels of control being imposed by the authorities.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/shocking-mom...
When authorities make ordinary citizens into criminals, it is the system that is broken.
Yeah, what kind of world are we living in when decent, honest drug dealers can't run people over and give them a shoeing. Honestly.https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/shocking-mom...
When authorities make ordinary citizens into criminals, it is the system that is broken.
Pesty said:
Revenge no. Stopping sombody committing a crime have at it. Why would you conflate the two?
If everybody rammed those moped thieves whenever they saw them during the crime and the mayor paid their repair bill and gave them a good citizen medal I wonder it would have ended by now.
Unreasonable? Committing crime is unreasonable. So how do I as old and knackered stop somebody who might be tooled up?
Suppose I should just wade in and get stabbed.
If he feared that the thief might have been "tooled up" and that what he was doing was reasonable, why didn't he put that to the jury, and if he did, why did they reject it? If everybody rammed those moped thieves whenever they saw them during the crime and the mayor paid their repair bill and gave them a good citizen medal I wonder it would have ended by now.
Unreasonable? Committing crime is unreasonable. So how do I as old and knackered stop somebody who might be tooled up?
Suppose I should just wade in and get stabbed.
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